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Re: Bundeskartellamt imposes fine against Fritz brand products manufacturer AVM

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Post by jasonvorhe »

endofreach wrote: post #4

Way to go germany. Seems like they truly try to weaken all homegrown companies that have any relevance in electronic products whatsoever. Germany & it's economy is just a mere shell of what it was. Their right extremists & nazis gain more acceptance & influence everyday. While the economy seems to be hopeless. Let's just hope this doesn't end up like last time.

So illegal price fixing shouldn't be punished for economic reasons?

I don't see any "right extremists & nazis" in charge of the current or past governments. Why would they have any impact on the German economy and decisions by Kartellamt?

I agree though, without cheap energy from Russia, the German industry is headed for dark times. But that's the fault of the current government. They're not pressing the issue on who actually destroyed the pipelines and they're not using the one that's still operational and instead buy Russian gas via resellers at a premium.

Re: Bundeskartellamt imposes fine against Fritz brand products manufacturer AVM

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Post by MaKey »

hulitu wrote: post #9
endofreach wrote: post #4

Way to go germany. Seems like they truly try to weaken all homegrown companies that have any relevance in electronic products whatsoever. Germany & it's economy is just a mere shell of what it was. Their right extremists & nazis gain more acceptance & influence everyday. While the economy seems to be hopeless. Let's just hope this doesn't end up like last time.

Fritzbox is a shit show. Their router is not yours (no access to the OS). Their router only works with their DECT telephone (ask me how i found out). Fritz is the Microsoft of internet access in Germany.

> Their router only works with their DECT telephone [...]

I've had no issues pairing a DECT phone from a different vendor with a FRITZ!Box, so that's not true.

Re: Bundeskartellamt imposes fine against Fritz brand products manufacturer AVM

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Post by carstenhag »

Unrelated to Fritz, related to company raids: Some time ago I worked for Kaufland (sister company of Lidl - Schwarz group, #3-#4 retailer company worldwide) and on all offices & hallways there were signs saying something like:

"In case of raids, cooperate with the police, do not throw away documents or break any device", which always seemed funny to me, as there was probably an incident that happened that lead to them putting this so often in the office.

Re: Bundeskartellamt imposes fine against Fritz brand products manufacturer AVM

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Post by BSVogler »

hulitu wrote: post #9
endofreach wrote: post #4

Way to go germany. Seems like they truly try to weaken all homegrown companies that have any relevance in electronic products whatsoever. Germany & it's economy is just a mere shell of what it was. Their right extremists & nazis gain more acceptance & influence everyday. While the economy seems to be hopeless. Let's just hope this doesn't end up like last time.

Fritzbox is a shit show. Their router is not yours (no access to the OS). Their router only works with their DECT telephone (ask me how i found out). Fritz is the Microsoft of internet access in Germany.

The DECT limitation is not true. I have it paired with a Gigaset.

Re: Bundeskartellamt imposes fine against Fritz brand products manufacturer AVM

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Post by iforgotpassword »

dayjaby wrote: post #7
endofreach wrote: post #4

Way to go germany. Seems like they truly try to weaken all homegrown companies that have any relevance in electronic products whatsoever. Germany & it's economy is just a mere shell of what it was. Their right extremists & nazis gain more acceptance & influence everyday. While the economy seems to be hopeless. Let's just hope this doesn't end up like last time.

If Fritz Boxes would actually be a good product...frequent internet drops, which a simple restart fixes, is that normal for routers from other brands? As a German, I don't know, because I've been forced to use these shitty Fritz Boxes my entire life.

Working absolutely flawless here, months of uptime.

And no, you're not forced to use them, "Routerzwang" hasn't been a thing in almost a decade, ISPs are required to allow you to use any router you like.

Re: Bundeskartellamt imposes fine against Fritz brand products manufacturer AVM

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Post by imtringued »

dayjaby wrote: post #7
endofreach wrote: post #4

Way to go germany. Seems like they truly try to weaken all homegrown companies that have any relevance in electronic products whatsoever. Germany & it's economy is just a mere shell of what it was. Their right extremists & nazis gain more acceptance & influence everyday. While the economy seems to be hopeless. Let's just hope this doesn't end up like last time.

If Fritz Boxes would actually be a good product...frequent internet drops, which a simple restart fixes, is that normal for routers from other brands? As a German, I don't know, because I've been forced to use these shitty Fritz Boxes my entire life.

I don't know what you are talking about. Every time I got an ISP contract and used their default router I got nothing but problems until I decided to upgrade to their Fritz Box offering and then all the problems disappear. LAN and WiFi just work.

Re: Bundeskartellamt imposes fine against Fritz brand products manufacturer AVM

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Post by imtringued »

endofreach wrote: post #4

Way to go germany. Seems like they truly try to weaken all homegrown companies that have any relevance in electronic products whatsoever. Germany & it's economy is just a mere shell of what it was. Their right extremists & nazis gain more acceptance & influence everyday. While the economy seems to be hopeless. Let's just hope this doesn't end up like last time.

The right wing extremists and neo-nazis live in East Germany because the soviets thought they were immune to fascism simply because they equate anti-fascism and communism. They thought their job was done by doing nothing. West Germany took significantly more cautions to prevent a rise in right wing extremism than East Germany.

Re: Bundeskartellamt imposes fine against Fritz brand products manufacturer AVM

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Post by bzzzt »

dayjaby wrote: post #7
endofreach wrote: post #4

Way to go germany. Seems like they truly try to weaken all homegrown companies that have any relevance in electronic products whatsoever. Germany & it's economy is just a mere shell of what it was. Their right extremists & nazis gain more acceptance & influence everyday. While the economy seems to be hopeless. Let's just hope this doesn't end up like last time.

If Fritz Boxes would actually be a good product...frequent internet drops, which a simple restart fixes, is that normal for routers from other brands? As a German, I don't know, because I've been forced to use these shitty Fritz Boxes my entire life.

In the Netherlands the Fritz boxes are seen as one of the 'premium' brands. Most other ISP provided routers are completely shit random value brands so that might explain the difference. I'm on my third Fritzbox now and only the second one really went bad after 8 years (dropped the VDSL connection multiple times per day) so was promptly replace by the ISP. Current one is a 7583 that's been running really stable for a few years now. Of course it's a network product: it might also be a spotty hardware part on the other side of your connection. I'd suggest calling your ISP...

Re: Bundeskartellamt imposes fine against Fritz brand products manufacturer AVM

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Post by flohofwoe »

imtringued wrote: post #17
endofreach wrote: post #4

Way to go germany. Seems like they truly try to weaken all homegrown companies that have any relevance in electronic products whatsoever. Germany & it's economy is just a mere shell of what it was. Their right extremists & nazis gain more acceptance & influence everyday. While the economy seems to be hopeless. Let's just hope this doesn't end up like last time.

The right wing extremists and neo-nazis live in East Germany because the soviets thought they were immune to fascism simply because they equate anti-fascism and communism. They thought their job was done by doing nothing. West Germany took significantly more cautions to prevent a rise in right wing extremism than East Germany.

If you would actually inform yourself a bit before spouting such nonsense you would know that East Germany was actually a lot more serious about denazification than West Germany after WW2 (not quite as serious as the official propaganda would want you to believe of course - for instance the early "inofficial" East German army made use of Wehrmacht officers until they were kicked out around 1956 when the NVA was officially founded, but still more serious (and effective) than West Germany which mostly turned a blind eye towards higher ranking nazi officials in the government, secret service and army).

Also the leading neo nazis who built up their East German networks in the 90's were mostly "Alte Kameraden" coming in from West Germany (and that's still the case, guess where Bjoern Hoecke grew up, hint: not in the GDR), and this was made easy not because the East Germans were "preconditioned", but instead disillusioned and frustrated with how the reunification was going in the 90s. The poor, disillusioned and frustrated tend to turn towards extremism, that's the problem in a nutshell, and that problem is not unique to East Germany.

Re: Bundeskartellamt imposes fine against Fritz brand products manufacturer AVM

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Post by account42 »

iforgotpassword wrote: post #15
dayjaby wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Fritz Boxes would actually be a good product...frequent internet drops, which a simple restart fixes, is that normal for routers from other brands? As a German, I don't know, because I've been forced to use these shitty Fritz Boxes my entire life.

Working absolutely flawless here, months of uptime. And no, you're not forced to use them, "Routerzwang" hasn't been a thing in almost a decade, ISPs are required to allow you to use any router you like.

Technically you are no longer forced to use them but the IPSs will try to make your life as difficult as they can if you want to use your own router while often discounting the rent for their AVM routers to $0 (meaning it everyone pais for them with their base subscriber fee even if you opt out of getting one).
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