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Re: I Received an AI Email

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Post by cen4 »

ChilledTonic wrote: post #6

I’m actually thrilled by this, as it means all the hack marketers that spam my inbox incessantly with whatever product they’re hucking - this time for sure perfect for my business, in spite of the fact I’ve ignored their last ten emails - are all out of a job, and good riddance. The author sounds unfamiliar with this brand of marketing email, so I can see why it would come off disquieting to find it’s all AI - but it…

The problem is never what one person or one company is doing.

But when everyone copies what that one person or one company is doing. Software makes the copying process dead easy.

Once the herd starts stampeding, it creates a secondary effect of an arms race for finite Attention of a finite target audience. That assault and drainage of that finite attention pool, happens faster and faster and every one gets locked in trying to outspend the other guy.

An example currently is Presidential Campaigns furiously trying to out fund raise each other. Its going to top 15-17 billion this year. All the campaign managers, marketers, advertisors make bank. And we know what quality of product the people end up with. Cause why produce a high quality product when you can generate demand via Attention Capture.

The chimp troupe is dumb as heck as a collective intelligence.

Re: I Received an AI Email

#102

Post by jtriangle »

elaus wrote: post #5

AI will not only pass many classical spam filters (Bayesian filters), it will also make it much harder for humans to detect spam (OP's post being a good example). I never fell for a spam mail so far (i.e. not once clicked a link like OP did), but I fully expect this will change soon. Tough times for people that commonly expect mail from random strangers.

I talked to a relative from nigeria one time for a couple months. He was actually in nigeria, spoke pretty good english, and was scamming to get by and fund his way through college. He said his group was doing ok, and he was living better than most. He sent me pictures of himself, and where he worked, his motorcycle, all sorts of things. Not as a pitch either, like, he was proud of those things and I was interested so he was happy to show and tell about his life, we even exchanged some recipies.

Then one day he just stopped replying, and his email address would bounce. My best guess is it got shut down, for, you know, scamming. Bummed me out though, he was cool, except for the scamming thing.

Re: I Received an AI Email

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Post by gpvos »

louwhopley wrote: post #96
castigatio wrote: post #17

It's a sign of things to come. We're going to have our own AI agents that filter and respond (or not respond) to these kinds of messages. Agents interacting with other agents. The bar to get hold of a real person is going to become that much higher. It is going to be messy for some time as agents war with other agents to reach the human eyeball. Some assholes are going to make a ton of money in the short term exploit…

Haha, exactly this. I've built and successfully been using Unspam[0] for this reason since about a year ago. In corporate/business world, anything where SDR sales are involved this form of automated AI outbound mail has picked up a lot. Tools like Apollo automates this AI process (both finding leads to mail, and then crafting the mail). For interest sake, users of Unspam that have a title of CEO on their Linkedin see…

Most likely, SDR = Sales Development Representative, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sales_development#Process

Re: I Received an AI Email

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Post by davedx »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #72
davedx wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Getting peed at a couple times a day isn't a problem if the pee-ees miss 99% od the time, right? Small acts of malice are still acts of malice. Not everyone wants to live in a caveat emptor , dog-eats-dog society.

Having tried to start a business and known other business owners, I will die on this hill: sales and marketing are not "acts of malice". Without salespeople we wouldn't live in the world we lived today.

This is like the irrational hate some developers have for recruiters, despite them finding jobs for many people that they otherwise would never have known about.

Re: I Received an AI Email

#105

Post by davedx »

lynx23 wrote: post #97
davedx wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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And you're qualified to declare this because? Are we supposed to silently suffer because capitalism says so? Spammers and salespeople are pretty much on the same level as criminals in my book. Heck, whenever someone calls me for some sort of unsolicited survey or similar, I think "these people have such low standards, they would also sell heroin on the street if they had any source."

Suffering is "the state of undergoing pain, distress, or hardship".

Having to delete the occasional marketing or sales email that get past your spam filter is hardly any of these. Annoying or frustrating, yes. Suffering? Really?

Re: I Received an AI Email

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Post by slhck »

louwhopley wrote: post #96
castigatio wrote: post #17

It's a sign of things to come. We're going to have our own AI agents that filter and respond (or not respond) to these kinds of messages. Agents interacting with other agents. The bar to get hold of a real person is going to become that much higher. It is going to be messy for some time as agents war with other agents to reach the human eyeball. Some assholes are going to make a ton of money in the short term exploit…

Haha, exactly this. I've built and successfully been using Unspam[0] for this reason since about a year ago. In corporate/business world, anything where SDR sales are involved this form of automated AI outbound mail has picked up a lot. Tools like Apollo automates this AI process (both finding leads to mail, and then crafting the mail). For interest sake, users of Unspam that have a title of CEO on their Linkedin see…

Just saw this, and as a small business owner in the B2B market, this sounds very useful. Gmail's existing spam filters do not reliably detect this type of marketing.

I wish your landing page had a simple "how it works" explanation with a screen shot or diagram, rather than forcing me to sign in directly, and also allowing the app to read *and* send emails. Also, I don't see any pricing?

Finally, signing up, I got an error:

Error 1101 Ray ID: 89d4e0957c2f5a44 • 2024-07-03 06:39:15 UTC - Worker threw exception

Re: I Received an AI Email

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Post by gambiting »

prmoustache wrote: post #78
elaus wrote: post #5

AI will not only pass many classical spam filters (Bayesian filters), it will also make it much harder for humans to detect spam (OP's post being a good example). I never fell for a spam mail so far (i.e. not once clicked a link like OP did), but I fully expect this will change soon. Tough times for people that commonly expect mail from random strangers.

Well it is quite easy. No real humam has been using email anymore in the last 5 years or so. Even in the workplace it is now common for most people to have a signature saying "only contact me via ms teams". I am pretty sure that sooner or later the spam will find its way on teams/slack/discord the same way it does on whatsapp but at the very least they are easier to block permanently.

>>No real humam has been using email anymore in the last 5 years or so

Wow, that's some extrapolating from a personal bubble if I've ever seen one. Plenty of workplaces still have email as their default communication method.

Re: I Received an AI Email

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Post by fsckboy »

elaus wrote: post #5

AI will not only pass many classical spam filters (Bayesian filters), it will also make it much harder for humans to detect spam (OP's post being a good example). I never fell for a spam mail so far (i.e. not once clicked a link like OP did), but I fully expect this will change soon. Tough times for people that commonly expect mail from random strangers.

Bayesian filters? how quaint. you haven't switched to AI filtering yet? Your AI has an advantage over their AI because it has read all your other email and knows what you are actually interested in.

Re: I Received an AI Email

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Post by slhck »

zandert wrote: post #37

Really makes me appreciate that unsolicited emails are illegal in some European countries like Germany

Unfortunately, not in a business context, where marketers can claim "legitimate interest" in various ways. Also, in which way would it matter that they are illegal? Random companies keep sending them anyway; there are virtually no legal repercussions here.
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