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Why is Chile so long?

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Re: Why is Chile so long?

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Not really, that would probably be the north of Chile on the Atacama desert, there's a reason why the Extremely Large Telescope, Giant Magellan Telescope and Vera C. Rubin are being built there.

i'm going to assume that commoners like us don't have access to that telescope.

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Re: Why is Chile so long?

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Thanks god we don't care. Spain wanting to dictate what's real "spanish" is like the King of England telling a jamaican that their english is wrong.

If you want to be more widely understood, it's better to sound more like the King of England than whatever your local variety is. I tone down my (English language) accent when speaking to foreigners all the time. The point is to be understood. I'm toning it down right now in this message. I want to be clear to a wider audience, not folksy. So is Spain really telling other people the way they speak is "wrong", or is t…

No, it has nothing to do with accent (phonetic). It's entirely language. They have a long history of "forbidding" words that are "real or not real spanish".

And by the way, counterintuitively, languages have NOT evolved to be better understood, but on the contrary, to "separate" or create cohesion in smaller groups.

Re: Why is Chile so long?

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That is a really nice bit of information communication. Hat's off! I feel like I learned a lot and that always makes me happy. One quibble. At the end it mentions why Mexico's west was of interest to the Spanish, but neglects possibly the most important part - it was where the Spanish galleons from the Philippines first landed after the grueling trip across the Pacific as detailed beautifully in Neal Stephenson's "Ba…

And the real history in 1493 by Charles C. Mann. Samurai were documented as guards on galleons brought to Mexico. It needs to be a movie.

The novel called Taipan, by James Clavell, is quite interesting, IMO. He also wrote the novel Shogun, which I didn't enjoy as much.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tai-Pan_(novel)

Shogun is about Japan in the Samurai period and Taipan is about Hong Kong a few centuries ago.

Both novels are about those periods and about Westerners interacting with those countries at that time.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Clavell

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Clavell wanted to write a second novel because "that separates the men from the boys".[21] The money from King Rat enabled him to spend two years researching and then writing what became Tai-Pan (1966). It was a huge best-seller, and Clavell sold the film rights for a sizeable amount (although the film would not be made until 1986).[22]

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Re: Why is Chile so long?

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Sure, that is largely true. But, to state that the formal register of Chilean Spanish is “probably one of the most understandable ones, accent-wise” of all available Spanish registers is, in my humble opinion, quite a stretch.

I don't know, here's a random news segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfvrmrYG_-c But I think chileans are ok with people saying we don't speak well, so it doesn't matter too much.

> here's a random news segment

Where the announcer is actually overpronouncing while still keeping (expectedly) some elision. In your example, Boric’s formal register is closer to what one would usually listen.

> chileans are ok with people saying we don't speak well

I never claimed that, I am merely addressing your “one of the most understandable” statement.

Re: Why is Chile so long?

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And the real history in 1493 by Charles C. Mann. Samurai were documented as guards on galleons brought to Mexico. It needs to be a movie.

If I recall there were also some Aztecs or Mayans brought to fight in Phillipines and SEA

i'm pretty sure there are aztecs and mayas who go to the philippines and southeast asia to fight today (to fight drug lords and the dictatorship of myanmar, respectively)

Re: Why is Chile so long?

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How is the table of dialects constructed? It's obvious if two dialects are at 1, but what does it mean if they're at 0? They can't be mutually unintelligible, since that would make them different languages. I ask because the dialects spoken in Argentina and in Uruguay are practically identical, save for a few regional words. If the scale being used puts them at 0.35, then it makes me wonder about the usefulness of th…

yeah, literally the only difference i can think of is 'contigo' (which is 'con vos' in argentina)

Re: Why is Chile so long?

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Okay, so the article is wrong for using that bit of data for the argument. It doesn't tell you much about how well two people from two different places will understand each other. If two people are in the same place and one says to the other "¿me das la veleta?", but the other would have called the object "molinete", chances are they could probably understand what the other person is saying. What makes different dial…

True, but that's like saying a British person wouldn't be confused by the phrase "the trunk of my car" said by an American even if they would would say "the boot of my car" themselves. The fact still remains than "trunk" is US dialect and "boot" is British, and that the dialects are different.

probably a better cross-atlantic example would be something like 'perambulator' where the other dialect doesn't have a conflicting meaning for the word

Re: Why is Chile so long?

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True, but that's like saying a British person wouldn't be confused by the phrase "the trunk of my car" said by an American even if they would would say "the boot of my car" themselves. The fact still remains than "trunk" is US dialect and "boot" is British, and that the dialects are different.

Shouldn't that comparison be weighted by how frequent the words are? For example words in the top 100 usage would count for more than the top 1000 and the top 10000. It would be a much different story if British English and American English had different words for "a car". Which, by the way, happens in Spanish dialects ("el coche" vs "el carro").

here (argentina, non-native) we usually say 'el auto' but have significant use of 'coche'. 'carro' means something different; using it for an automobile sounds mexican

but if you showed an argentine a picture of a car, they might very well say 'auto' while perhaps someone from elsewhere would say 'coche', leading to a basically incorrect point of difference being measured in this study between the two dialects

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