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Re: Show HN: I created an After Effects alternative

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I feel like that web only is a positive way forward. If only it was possible to prove nothing goes back to the server I think it would gain a lot more trust. Though companies who want to see your data might not be so keen. On my phone, but will try it out when I get home.

I've long wished for something like OpenBSDs pledge to be available in browsers, ideally both through meta tags and through JS APIs. Once a pledge is made, the resource will be unavailable to the page until it's closed, like: - I pledge to only make network connections to X, Y and Z - I pledge to only make GET requests to http://example.com/foo/ * - I pledge not to use canvas, iFrames or storage APIs This info wouldn…

>- I pledge to only make GET requests to http://example.com/foo/*

Doesn't solve any trust issue since data can be send as part of the URL, and the backend response can change at will.

Re: Show HN: I created an After Effects alternative

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I feel like that web only is a positive way forward. If only it was possible to prove nothing goes back to the server I think it would gain a lot more trust. Though companies who want to see your data might not be so keen. On my phone, but will try it out when I get home.

Why do you think web only is positive? 15 years from now, will this site still be up? Will you be able to open your projects from today, then? I think web only is a really compelling way to get someone to try a product, but I’d much rather install a tool like this. Unless you could host the site yourself, of course.

Honestly there’s 2 situations:

- if the tool is updated continuously for 15 years it’ll still be up

- if it’s not updated, it will be technically irrelevant anyway and you’ll have switched to another tool by then

Future support is overrated for tools, just use one now and worry about tomorrow later.

Re: Show HN: I created an After Effects alternative

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Naive answer: isn't the browser network tab enough?

It only shows past behaviour so not completely a proof that nothing could be sent.

In which browser? It's a live view in Chrome and Firefox.

Re: Show HN: I created an After Effects alternative

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This is a very nice project and any competition to After Effects is very welcome. One model I'd love to see is a web based front end, but all video processing happens in the backend. Then ship the app as a combined front/backend, or just the front end that connects to a remote backend. That backend could be a server in a studio with beefed up specs, or offloaded to the cloud for solo animators working on complex proj…

A good idea is the backend or the cloud could be a paid feature for this application.

Re: Show HN: I created an After Effects alternative

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you think web only is positive? 15 years from now, will this site still be up? Will you be able to open your projects from today, then? I think web only is a really compelling way to get someone to try a product, but I’d much rather install a tool like this. Unless you could host the site yourself, of course.

Honestly there’s 2 situations: - if the tool is updated continuously for 15 years it’ll still be up - if it’s not updated, it will be technically irrelevant anyway and you’ll have switched to another tool by then Future support is overrated for tools, just use one now and worry about tomorrow later.

Strong disagree on the second point. I don't want the choice of whether I switch tools to be based on an arbitrary factor such as when a website suddenly doesn't exist anymore. I might be very heavily invested into that tool in terms of project files, learning curves, workflow integration etc. I also might be in the middle of something very important with a deadline at the moment that I'm unable to access the site.

Other points that weren't raised - I want to be free to work in situations where I have poor or no internet e.g. when traveling.

Tying tools down to whether or not a website is available and you have reliable internet access is a huge step backwards in my opinion.

Re: Show HN: I created an After Effects alternative

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It only shows past behaviour so not completely a proof that nothing could be sent.

In which browser? It's a live view in Chrome and Firefox.

"Live view" means a log of the past, not potential futures.

Re: Show HN: I created an After Effects alternative

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I feel like that web only is a positive way forward. If only it was possible to prove nothing goes back to the server I think it would gain a lot more trust. Though companies who want to see your data might not be so keen. On my phone, but will try it out when I get home.

I've long wished for something like OpenBSDs pledge to be available in browsers, ideally both through meta tags and through JS APIs. Once a pledge is made, the resource will be unavailable to the page until it's closed, like: - I pledge to only make network connections to X, Y and Z - I pledge to only make GET requests to http://example.com/foo/ * - I pledge not to use canvas, iFrames or storage APIs This info wouldn…

Serenity OS also makes use of pledge. The episode in which Andreas kicks it off was delightful to watch.

Re: Show HN: I created an After Effects alternative

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Side comment: Comparing a web-based software that runs on your own computer vs. installing a (say native) software and frequently updating, isn't it interesting that the former is faster to do? When using a web-based software to ru on your own machine, you are effectively, momentarily, installing it and are able to uninstall by clearing the cache.

Well, it’s rarely “running” on your machine but is just a client for the server it is running on.

The app is client-side Javascript, it's most definitely "running" on your machine.

Re: Show HN: I created an After Effects alternative

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You say that but in my experience the same kinds of people who will say that are also the kinds of people who demonstrably don't actually even know what AI is. They're the same types who'll insist that DALL-E is just making collages of other artists' work, for example.

> You say that but in my experience the same kinds of people who will say that are also the kinds of people who demonstrably don't actually even know what AI is. Funny. In my experience AFK it is the people who use AI that have zero idea what it is and think answers can be blindly trusted. The ones who don’t like it can enumerate the drawbacks clearly.

The pro and anti sides of generative text and generative art seem to be completely separate, so I don't think they can be mixed up like this. On the generative art side, I find the users to be well-versed while the artists who worry about it are currently deleting years of posted work to reupload with questionable anti-AI tools like Glaze long after that art has already been scraped and trained on.

FWIW I'm on the pro-artist side and anti-the current state of things, and wish we could start over with a collaboration between technologists and artists rather than each side having nothing but sneering contempt for the other.

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