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Can a law make social media less 'addictive'?

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Re: Can a law make social media less 'addictive'?

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I think companies should be forced to provide a chat-only version of their app that's totally equivalent otherwise. How many of you only have instagram installed because you use it to talk with friends, but then sleepwalk into the algorithmic feed/explore page until you suddenly regain consciousness and notice you're wasting your life... The solution is easy: make a chat-only version mandatory. I also think companies…

Saying apps cause you to waste your time, is giving away your responsibility of your own life to some apps.

If you sleepwalk into this, and they 'fix' it, what's to keep you sleepwalking into the next thing?

People struggling with addiction should seek professional help if they really struggle rather than waiting for laws to protect them... - this is never going to solve their additions...

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Parents seem to get out of this scot free. I see young children who's behaviour is ignored for long periods of time while parents are "busy" on their phones. The idea of parents being responsible for the upbringing of their children seems to be something which has disappeared.

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In the same way, laws do not prevent people from killing other people. However, we (with a few exceptions) find it unethical to solve problems by killing the other party and make murder laws.

Too many companies offer a defense for behavior we find distasteful of, "It isn't illegal," as if the law draws the complete contours of ethical behavior. Generally, we look to laws to dictate punishment for violations of ethics. Of course the law also forbids things we find ethical, but that is another issue.

So no, it won't make social media less addictive, but perhaps it is time we started to formally define what behaviors we consider ethical for these types of interactions between businesses and consumers. With it defined perhaps respectable companies will start to act in the manner we grow to expect.

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Parents seem to get out of this scot free. I see young children who's behaviour is ignored for long periods of time while parents are "busy" on their phones. The idea of parents being responsible for the upbringing of their children seems to be something which has disappeared.

Many parents don't know social media is bad. I've had to convince my partner that it is harmful over many months. She's only now stopped doom scrolling instagram. We finally came to an agreement that our child will not get a "smart" phone until 14. Our child will have access to old school phones and any other less-harmful communication tech. I intend to expose my child to smart phones and computers in all ways that is educational so that they don't fall behind.

EDIT: I would rather not have needed to convince my partner that social media FB, tiktok and instagram is obviously bad and I'd have liked to have some laws to give me some basic protection.

Re: Can a law make social media less 'addictive'?

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I'd personally target the "source" of the addictiveness: outlaw behavioral analytics that, on those apps, analyse any detail of your navigation (how fast you scroll, where you stop etc.).

A: Many people are not aware that's a thing: "I did not click like on a racist video, but it keeps showing them to me", when in reality, the algorithm detected that you slowed down when shown that type of content so decided to feed more of it to you.

B: I targets your worse instinct (oh a half naked girl, maybe she has something interesting to say?), and if you're not aware of point A, it's a loosing battle. If you are aware of point A, it's constantly tiring to have to adjust you speed scroll etc.

I would personally make a GDPR type law that would require: "Any feed of user data must be presented in a non-opaque way, such as chronological, ranked by upvotes etc. Any personalized feed based on expectations of user preference should be entirely transparent, by allowing the user to access, modify their profile, as well as locking them (preventing future behaviour from changing the type of content you see).

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Parents seem to get out of this scot free. I see young children who's behaviour is ignored for long periods of time while parents are "busy" on their phones. The idea of parents being responsible for the upbringing of their children seems to be something which has disappeared.

Obviously it has disappeared because people have been pulled into global networks. Its like becoming part of the Borg. Can you imagine the Borg without a network?

More complex the network, less control any individual has on anything.

The Borg has no purpose other than to survive. These networks currently have no purpose other than to capture, trade, steal Attention.

That has to be reimagined to escape the current trajectory.

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I wonder how many people talking about self-control have a good relationship with their phone? I don't know anyone personally who likes their relationship with their phone.

I've been considering and trying to practice being kinder to myself, my phone, and my relationship with it. I still want to use less of it, but it's now a part of us, and will take time to almost amputate. I want to just stop feeding it, and let it die off slowly, peacefully instead of amputating it with a hacksaw.

Any kind of self-control based on shame seems doomed to be a vicious cycle.

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Parents seem to get out of this scot free. I see young children who's behaviour is ignored for long periods of time while parents are "busy" on their phones. The idea of parents being responsible for the upbringing of their children seems to be something which has disappeared.

People are very judgy about the behavior of other parents. Especially on social media. It's no wonder the birth rate is down.

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I think companies should be forced to provide a chat-only version of their app that's totally equivalent otherwise. How many of you only have instagram installed because you use it to talk with friends, but then sleepwalk into the algorithmic feed/explore page until you suddenly regain consciousness and notice you're wasting your life... The solution is easy: make a chat-only version mandatory. I also think companies…

> The solution is easy: make a chat-only version mandatory.

I'm not sure how well that work work given the very fuzzy lines between "enough to connect with peers" versus "everything else". For example, a "show off your pictures" company could obey the letter of the rule but break the spirit, but not allowing the images-being-discussed in the chats, making participation pointless.

I think a more-robust approach would be a scheme permitting the development of third-party "frontends" for these services (possibly already permitted by law [0]) with the compromise that they must pass-through any non-personalized ads the service makes available.

That way it creates competition of "kid safe" versions--whatever blend of functionality that really means--and companies come under pressure to have a not-too-shitty version of their own.

[0] https://www.techdirt.com/2024/05/02/was-there-a-trojan-horse...

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Parents seem to get out of this scot free. I see young children who's behaviour is ignored for long periods of time while parents are "busy" on their phones. The idea of parents being responsible for the upbringing of their children seems to be something which has disappeared.

Obviously it has disappeared because people have been pulled into global networks. Its like becoming part of the Borg. Can you imagine the Borg without a network? More complex the network, less control any individual has on anything. The Borg has no purpose other than to survive. These networks currently have no purpose other than to capture, trade, steal Attention. That has to be reimagined to escape the current tra…

You are not wrong. The third (and only true season) of Picard has shown this wonderfully.
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