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Re: It's getting harder to die

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Doubly so given the epidemic of fentanyl contamination.

We haven't had that (yet) on this side of The Pond but I'm sure it'll happen.

Brexit benefits! It's the one thing Tories got right in 14 years. *laughs maniacally*

Re: It's getting harder to die

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We haven't had that (yet) on this side of The Pond but I'm sure it'll happen.

Brexit benefits! It's the one thing Tories got right in 14 years. * laughs maniacally *

I suspect it's the only Europe-UK supply chain that hasn't been affected by Brexit :) Maybe the Tories need to persuade a few drug dealers to go straight and fix the whole supply chain problem.

Re: It's getting harder to die

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Brexit benefits! It's the one thing Tories got right in 14 years. * laughs maniacally *

I suspect it's the only Europe-UK supply chain that hasn't been affected by Brexit :) Maybe the Tories need to persuade a few drug dealers to go straight and fix the whole supply chain problem.

> Maybe the Tories need to persuade a few drug dealers to go straight and fix the whole supply chain problem.

They'll get Michael Gove right on that!

Re: It's getting harder to die

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And that's a good thing Or maybe people got softer. Do we remember the 90% of time where humans roamed this planet barefoot without painkillers, or healthcare, or a guaranteed source of water that does not carry those roundworm parasites that love to swim inside your eyes, or anti polar bear sprays so they didn't tear you off and eat alive?. Those were hard deaths. The 120% of the times, being alive is the smartest o…

: barefoot

That's what calluses are for.

: without painkillers

And poppies, and https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9785912/ . Even animals know what plants to eat to help with pain.

: or healthcare

Someone in the tribe knew how to make a splint and what herbs or foods were best for what ailment.

: or a guaranteed source of water that does not carry those roundworm parasites that love to swim inside your eyes

In general I expect that there would be few enough people, and they'd be sufficiently knowledgeable of the water sources among the areas they frequented, that this usually wouldn't be a problem.

https://askdruniverse.wsu.edu/2018/08/31/dr-universe-people-...

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2020/01/how-did-...

> One group of students decided to put this method to the test. They hoisted their water-filled deer hide directly over a fire, and they planned to let it go as long as the hide stayed intact. The hair on the outside singed, but the skin itself held up just fine. So the students waited and waited and waited. Four hours later, the hide was still intact. It did get very hard, but neither sprung a leak nor burned.

: or anti polar bear sprays so they didn't tear you off and eat alive?.

I'm pretty sure that by the time some of us migrated to where polar bears live we had some pretty good spear technology.

Re: It's getting harder to die

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I usually say "No, death is not the solution, death just removes the problem.".

What it does is replace your problem with problems for a bunch of other people.

I don't quite understand this. Postponing my death won't solve the problem; it's inevitable. The real question is, whose time takes priority—others' or mine?

Re: It's getting harder to die

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I suspect it's the only Europe-UK supply chain that hasn't been affected by Brexit :) Maybe the Tories need to persuade a few drug dealers to go straight and fix the whole supply chain problem.

> Maybe the Tories need to persuade a few drug dealers to go straight and fix the whole supply chain problem. They'll get Michael Gove right on that!

He's the right man for the job! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48572982

Re: It's getting harder to die

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> I'd like dying to be as easy as flicking a switch. It is. Just flick the blade open on a switchblade and stab into your temple. You don't need a fricking second or third party to help you with this. Some of us atheists view life as more precious than many religious people do because this is it.

> stab > fricking Do you really have to be so violent in response? There exist supervised injection sites for narcotics. You bring the drugs, the healthcare workers give you clean syringes/needles/paraphernalia and help you with the injection. As a society we have decided that it is OK for people to potentially wreck their own lives with narcotics. Why not a similar concept for dying, where the end is only eternal ob…

> Do you really have to be so violent in response?

I was trying to meet your request for an option that came as close as possible to just flicking a switch.

> Step into a room, step inside a pod, press a button, pod closes, press another button to replace the air with nitrogen, done.

I know of a friend of a friend who did this on his own. If you are of sufficient capacity to step into some place and press a button then you are able to buy or make this equipment on your own and do it yourself.

> I'm sorry, but 'life is precious' is a religious view, even if you call yourself 'atheist'.

And some religious people also believe that taking care of Earth's natural environment is also a religious duty. That doesn't make it a religious view, it makes it a general moral view that is shared between some religions and some atheists. The justification for a moral view is what makes it religious or secular.

> Humans have killed each other since they evolved from Australopithecus

And how many of these deaths have been because of religious beliefs? I think enough of them to say that killing people for moral reasons is a religious view, even if you call yourself 'atheist'.

Re: It's getting harder to die

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https://www.sciencealert.com/study-more-patients-could-survi... > Yet families are often asked to make the call within 72 hours of someone sustaining a severe brain injury. Unless patients make a rapid recovery in the first few days, it's thought they are unlikely to survive or recover much at all. > The data Sanders and colleagues analyzed tentatively suggest otherwise. > The data revealed that 31 of the 56 brain tr…

> some independence in daily activities "some" is doing a lot of work in this sentence. Recovering enough to have "at least some" independence after several months is not a great outcome. That very likely means lifelong daily care is required.

I know. That objection was brought up in the first article I read on this issue. Still, depending on the care required, it's pretty bad to imply that someone is better off dead.

And 7% of the study subjects recovered completely.

Re: It's getting harder to die

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What it does is replace your problem with problems for a bunch of other people.

I don't quite understand this. Postponing my death won't solve the problem; it's inevitable. The real question is, whose time takes priority—others' or mine?

This is a good point. I guess the only counter argument is that, so far, in general, postponing elective death also leads to a bunch of solutions to other problems over the course of a life, even if the original problem is unsolvable.

Re: It's getting harder to die

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> and unable to drink, so certainly terribly thirsty the whole time. I know people that work in hospice, and they say this is a big misconception (the article hints at it too). they patients don't die from lack of water, they don't want water because they are dying, and their body can't process it. In fact, as you kind of touched on at the start, giving them IV fluids can cause them to drown since their body can't pr…

The best thing they can do is shoot me with a nice does of heroin and after the high.just ending it. We know how to end life's.

Granted death penalty opponents are biased, but it's often said that barbituate overdose is a very unpleasant way to die. I've also heard opiod overdose is unpleasant.

I was once helping take down a 10-foot weather balloon full of helium, and took in two breaths in a row of pure helium. I started to get tunnel vision, said "whoah", sat down when I realized I was about to lose consciousness, fell down, and twitched just long enough for my friend to realize I wasn't joking around before I woke up. From my experience, hypoxia from pure helium is slightly pleasant all the way to loss of consciousness. I presume pure nitrogen would be nearly the same.

Let my last words be something witty in a high-pitched helium voice.

(Side note: pure nitrogen hypoxia would not be a particularly humane form of execution because the condemned would likely fight it by holding on to their last breath.)

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