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Apply that logic to more common allergens like wheat, eggs, milk, or soy.
Why? The cases are very different regarding different allergies, allergens and product categories.
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It's the market being efficient. Markets solve everything, yay!
What do you propose instead in this case? Not trying to be snarky, just to get the discussion rolling. Asking everyone to "play nice" or "don't be evil" also often does not work in practice. I mean I'd love it if it did, but such is life.
But a stray sesame seed gets into something and somebody gets a reaction and they sue. Essentially it went from "list allergens" to "If you don't list something, that's a hard promise it won't be in there"
See the difference? You can be diligent about keeping allergens out, but bakeries are big places with lots of equipment being used for lots of things. They can be diligent and still occasionally something gets in there - a tiny seed, stuck by static electricity to a paddle etc.
I suggest, to return some sanity to all this, that food preparers have a standard for diligence. If they meet it, then the occasional sesame seed is deemed a reasonable risk and to be understood. That civil cases can't be held limitlessly responsible for everybody's health.
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> Do you also think that's an unfair burden to put on the roughly-90% of people who are not mobility-impaired? Not op, but I share his view and don't think commercial buildings should be forced to accommodate people who are mobility-impaired.
Then you should hope to never become mobility impaired :) Remember, we are all just temporarily abled and one accident away from needing accomodation from society.
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it's almost like if corporations could pay politicians to turn good laws into garbage laws, uh?
The numbering scheme was a hint: there were no politicians involved with a ballot initiative. This is what demagoguery combined with direct democracy get you.
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I'm not sure how to separate this mindset from one that would have commercial buildings not be required to include elevators and wheelchair ramps. Do you also think that's an unfair burden to put on the roughly-90% of people who are not mobility-impaired? (Not implying any judgement either way, just curious if this is a consistent viewpoint).
I think one difference is that there isn't a great alternative option in the case of commercial buildings -- if you have a job in a given building that doesn't accommodate your disability, you can't just go find a different building. But insofar as food is concerned, you could pay more for more carefully-manufactured food, or just cook for yourself
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As a parent of a child with a severe sesame allergy, you clearly don’t understand food allergies and how severe they can be. If my child ingests sesame, they go into anaphylactic shock and without an epipen administered in minutes they will die. There are definitely questions of how to best inform consumers that have severe food allergies. But I’ve been really underwhelmed with the dialog here on this. It would be lo…
From your perspective, has this shift reduced the number of options you’re comfortable feeding to your allergic child? I guess what I’m asking is, was the previous situation (label indicating the mere possibility of cross-contamination) enough of a risk that you avoided those foods, before this labeling shift? And has the availability changed post-regulation as far as brands or bakeries that lean in to being conscien…
On the one hand, sesame is clearly listed on major brands so we can buy bread with more confidence. Before, there was always some hesitation when shopping with unknown brands. Even known brands can change formulations, which could make shopping feel very uncomfortable.
On the other hand, some brands have started intentionally adding sesame. That sucks. But it may also indicate that a real cross contamination risk has always existed.
It’s important to note that not all brands add sesame, and that not all store brands add sesame. So it hasn’t meaningfully reduced our choices. And I do hope that brands intentionally adding sesame will reconsider at some point.
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As a parent of a child with a severe sesame allergy, you clearly don’t understand food allergies and how severe they can be. If my child ingests sesame, they go into anaphylactic shock and without an epipen administered in minutes they will die. There are definitely questions of how to best inform consumers that have severe food allergies. But I’ve been really underwhelmed with the dialog here on this. It would be lo…
> If my child ingests sesame, they go into anaphylactic shock and without an epipen administered in minutes they will die. Please excuse my skepticism, I am asking this out of a genuine desire to become better informed: how can you possibly know this? Unless you happened to have an epi-pen handy the first time your kid ever ate a sesame seed, which seems unlikely, then if this were true would not your kid have died t…
There are plenty of anecdotes of close calls. EMTs carry epipens for this reason. And occasionally it’s tragic when one is not administered in time.
But ingestion is not the only way to learn that you have a severe allergy. Skin contact with the allergen with usually result in bad hives. When this happens with a child, it’s scary and tends to result in an appointment with an allergist, who can assess the severity with skin tests and blood draws.
I had an epipen on-hand when my child ate hummus the second time, and started going into anaphylactic shock. They had had a bad hive reaction to spilled milk, so we had already seen the allergist for milk allergies, which were severe enough to warrant an epipen.
It was a terrifying event, and I am very thankful that we had the epipen and that my child did not have a second wave reaction.
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If cooking involves boiling, what are you doing when you put a steak in a hot cast-iron pan? To the rice cooker point, I'd argue that an oven uses a heating element of some form (electric coils, gas flame, wood fire) to heat the air in a closed environment, and the air transfers heat into an item. In contrast, a rice cooker uses a heating element to directly heat a metal pot, and the metal pot transfers heat into an…
Well, technically there is usually bubbling going on, when making a steak, but would you "cook a steak" in english? In german you would not, one would roast it. (but we have 2 words, roasting "rösten" on the bbq and "braten" would be in a pan. But a "Braten" would be in an oven.) Kind of not that consistent (like it usually is with natural language). In general I think those terms were invented, before there were thi…
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> If my child ingests sesame, they go into anaphylactic shock and without an epipen administered in minutes they will die. Please excuse my skepticism, I am asking this out of a genuine desire to become better informed: how can you possibly know this? Unless you happened to have an epi-pen handy the first time your kid ever ate a sesame seed, which seems unlikely, then if this were true would not your kid have died t…
It’s usually the second exposure that causes the reaction. There are plenty of anecdotes of close calls. EMTs carry epipens for this reason. And occasionally it’s tragic when one is not administered in time. But ingestion is not the only way to learn that you have a severe allergy. Skin contact with the allergen with usually result in bad hives. When this happens with a child, it’s scary and tends to result in an app…
Still it leaves me wondering where is the data on the kids who have this happen to them whose parents don't happen to have an epi-pen on hand. You'd think there would be some deaths, and you'd think someone would be keeping track of them, but I can't find the numbers on this anywhere. Seems weird.