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Even if it’s basically a skin for Safari?
Not for long. Apple just started allowing 3rd party browser engines in the EU https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/25/24050478/apple-ios-17-4-b...
How to waste bandwidth, battery power, and annoy sysadmins
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Re: How to waste bandwidth, battery power, and annoy sysadmins
#52I have to laugh when the robots fetch the .ico file
Re: How to waste bandwidth, battery power, and annoy sysadmins
#53Title implies that this article thirdly explains how to waste annoying sysadmins, which is an entertaining prospect. Are we talking about not putting annoying sysadmins to good use? Or are we talking about, you know, makin sure they don’t cause nobody no trouble again, boss?
Re: How to waste bandwidth, battery power, and annoy sysadmins
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
I also wonder how these requests "beat the shit out of the web server." It's requesting the feed and the favicon, both of which could be cached by a CDN. Even if they aren't, how much traffic are you gonna see from this compared to some other page trending on HN? Wasteful, sure, but hardly that big a deal
Why should you need to provision a CDN when If-Modified-Since / Etags exist? I get that not every client is well behaved, but you'd hope that Firefox would be, given Mozilla's presence in web standards. (Which, tbh makes me think this issue is the "on iOS" bit, given it's Firefox. I presume Apple still has their "only Safari's rendering engine" rule in place for... ...reasons)
Re: How to waste bandwidth, battery power, and annoy sysadmins
#55It's an open source project, with a good discussion of the technical issues on GitHub[1]. Probably linked to certain user behaviors, like having hundreds of tabs open, but surely also contingent on the complexity of wedging a browser in iOS. Like maneuvering an excavator into a sandbox. [1] https://github.com/mozilla-mobile/firefox-ios/issues/12113
I can easily have hundreds of Chrome tabs open, and none of this happens. I can have hundreds of tabs inadvertently open in iOS Safari, and none of this happens. Would you kindly refrain from blaming users for what clearly is a bug in the application?
Re: How to waste bandwidth, battery power, and annoy sysadmins
#56Firefox on android is amazing with its plugin support, though I still prefer their pre-2021 UI
Re: How to waste bandwidth, battery power, and annoy sysadmins
#57I thought firefox on ios was just safari with a reskin because apple doesn't allow other browser engines on their phone? Firefox on android is amazing with its plugin support, though I still prefer their pre-2021 UI
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#58Oh hey, I wrote that last issue linked! What crazy Deja vu. Here’s me discovering the issue that led me to find some wild behavior. Basically Firefox loaded favicons 4x the number of tabs opened to that website. It would do this every time I opened or closed any tab. https://aggressivelyparaphrasing.me/2022/12/12/why-does-my-l... It was resolved a while back so maybe it’s similar symptoms but different root cause, or…
Wordpress handles 404s really slowly? I'm kind of surprised it works at all then, as at least in my logs there's a very steady stream of bots probing it for vulnerabilities by trying random URLs.
Re: How to waste bandwidth, battery power, and annoy sysadmins
#59It's an open source project, with a good discussion of the technical issues on GitHub[1]. Probably linked to certain user behaviors, like having hundreds of tabs open, but surely also contingent on the complexity of wedging a browser in iOS. Like maneuvering an excavator into a sandbox. [1] https://github.com/mozilla-mobile/firefox-ios/issues/12113
I also wonder how these requests "beat the shit out of the web server." It's requesting the feed and the favicon, both of which could be cached by a CDN. Even if they aren't, how much traffic are you gonna see from this compared to some other page trending on HN? Wasteful, sure, but hardly that big a deal
I also think it's pretty weird to defend thoroughly defect software with "waste ful, sure, but hardly that big a deal".
Re: How to waste bandwidth, battery power, and annoy sysadmins
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
They are using the WebKit rendering engine, but there’s a lot more to a web browser than just its rendering engine. They aren’t just skins.
Could you add a more to that? What other complex parts are built by FF?