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Ultra-processed foods need tobacco-style warnings, says scientist

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Re: Ultra-processed foods need tobacco-style warnings, says scientist

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dragontamer wrote: post #60
alan-hn wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More processing usually equates to more refining which means removal of micro nutrients. So yes, while five guys fries will make you fat if you eat too many they at least contain the normal micro nutrients of potatoes without added preservatives that may cause other problems

Are you saying French Fries (Simply cut Potatoes, oil + salt) are healthier for you than Pasta? (Ground grain, dried, wet, combined with Eggs, dried again, combined with various sauces made from oils, often dried herbs and other such ingredients) Because Pasta is a hell of a lot more "processed" than a typical French Fry

You're comparing oranges to orangutans

Not only are they cooked differently but you've added extra non processed stuff to the pasta and culminated in using a simple sweeping term of "healthy"

You can also add herbs to fries and cook them in an air fryer. What about if I add broccoli to the fries and throw some hot sauce on?

Both of those things have a place in a well balanced diet

Re: Ultra-processed foods need tobacco-style warnings, says scientist

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Post by dragontamer »

alan-hn wrote: post #61
dragontamer wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you saying French Fries (Simply cut Potatoes, oil + salt) are healthier for you than Pasta? (Ground grain, dried, wet, combined with Eggs, dried again, combined with various sauces made from oils, often dried herbs and other such ingredients) Because Pasta is a hell of a lot more "processed" than a typical French Fry

You're comparing oranges to orangutans Not only are they cooked differently but you've added extra non processed stuff to the pasta and culminated in using a simple sweeping term of "healthy" You can also add herbs to fries and cook them in an air fryer. What about if I add broccoli to the fries and throw some hot sauce on? Both of those things have a place in a well balanced diet

Bleached, fortified white flour is an incredibly processed ingredient.

It's also got nothing to do with health (or lack thereof).

I guarantee you there are fewer processing involved in Five Guys French Fries compared to white flour alone, let alone all the extra steps before you have a good meal.

Do you think there is a Pesto recipe that has less processing than the typical oils used for French Fries?

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I'm simply pointing out that a Bowl of Spaghetti + Pesto on it is highly processed. To far greater degrees than highly unhealthy and fattening foods we already know about.

Re: Ultra-processed foods need tobacco-style warnings, says scientist

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Post by NoPicklez »

pornel wrote: post #55
NoPicklez wrote: post #49

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Everytime a discussion around UPF comes up, there is the question about the definition and people do often get lost in the detail. There are some very good definitions and approaches to defining UPF's, like many have said the NOVA classification has a good definition and classification matrix. However, nothing's perfect and these definitions are trying to generalise all possible foods and cannot replace having an und…

It's a shame it's just based on correlation with many additives/processes together, and individual contributing factors weren't singled out. The mechanically-separated pink sludge McNuggets may be ultra processed, but I'd like to know if I put a chicken in a blender myself, is it going to be "processed" too. Or maybe the problem is not processing, but just HFCS additives? As a whole the definition is too close to "na…

I don't think so, they're a set of principles to go off of as a way to classify.

In the case of a fresh chicken with nothing done to it but blended, then it would be a minimally processed food.

But if you take the blended chicken and add Water, Vegetable Oil (canola Oil, Corn Oil, Soybean Oil, Hydrogenated Soybean Oil), Enriched Flour (bleached Wheat Flour, Niacin, Reduced Iron, Thiamine Mononitrate, Riboflavin, Folic Acid), Bleached Wheat Flour, Yellow Corn Flour, Vegetable Starch (modified Corn, Wheat, Rice, Pea, Corn), Salt, Leavening (baking Soda, Sodium Aluminum Phosphate, Sodium Acid Pyrophosphate, Calcium Lactate, Monocalcium Phosphate), Spices, Yeast Extract, Lemon Juice Solids, Dextrose, Natural Flavors.

Then it is considered ultra-processed.

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