Nothing that bakery makes can reasonably be labelled food.
FDA warns top U.S. bakery not to claim foods contain allergens when they don't
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Re: FDA warns top U.S. bakery not to claim foods contain allergens when they don't
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Don’t know the actual stats but (UK here) lots of people who make bread at home use a dedicated bread machine
It is still an small oven, not a cooking pot .. (some bread you can also make in a pan, but you cannot cook bread in my understanding)
What's the difference between baking and cooking in your understanding? You can make bread in a rice cooker, which nobody has ever called a "rice baker".
edit: and a rice cooker is definitely not a small oven.
Re: FDA warns top U.S. bakery not to claim foods contain allergens when they don't
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I think like everything, there's good and bad. You didn't translate your previous comment into braille so should I sue you for not catering to the needs of my blind mother? Having wheelchair ramps at corners, especially new ones, big chains, large institutions, seems great. Forcing the new 1 person boutique down the street to spend $250k+ to add every possible accommodation for language and accessibility, doesn't see…
Actually, I know of at least one HN user who will read his comment in braille. GP provided plain text, which is accessible to braille screen readers. And HN is hailed in accessibility circles as an extraordinarily accessible website, so has a disproportionately large accessibility user base.
The point was supposed to be an example of a possible consequence of rules like this. Not a specific example of an actual consequence.
Your comment also suggests the same solution for the bread. If you don't like that there is sesame in it then you should build a robot to remove the sesames. That's the same as saying "I didn't translate my text for you but you can find some other way to get it translated".
Re: FDA warns top U.S. bakery not to claim foods contain allergens when they don't
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Cooking is just the application of heat. Baking is the application of dry heat. Baking is a subset of cooking.
In german, the literal translation of cooking is "kochen" and that involves boiling things.
Even if you assume literal translations capture 100% of the details, "kochen" has multiple meanings. One of them is "boiling", another is "cooking" in the general sense of "preparing meals".
Re: FDA warns top U.S. bakery not to claim foods contain allergens when they don't
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In german, the literal translation of cooking is "kochen" and that involves boiling things.
Even if you assume literal translations capture 100% of the details, "kochen" has multiple meanings. One of them is "boiling", another is "cooking" in the general sense of "preparing meals".
Well Wikipedia says there is a narrow definition, that necessarily involves boiling of a liquid. This is the one I always used.
But in the broader sense, it seems to also mean the preparing of meals, but I never encountered it like this.
"Kochen (von lateinisch coquere, „kochen, sieden, reifen“ entlehnt) ist im engeren Sinne das Erhitzen einer Flüssigkeit bis zum und am Siedepunkt, im Weiteren das Garen oder Zubereiten von Lebensmitteln allgemein"
"es kocht" literally means, it is boiling.
Re: FDA warns top U.S. bakery not to claim foods contain allergens when they don't
#496My understanding is this allergen over-labeling was inspired by the FDA in the first place. https://www.fastcompany.com/90830854/sesame-seed-allergen-fd... From the linked article (from Jan 2023): But sesame does differ in one distinct way from eggs, peanuts, shellfish, milk, and soy: The seeds are teeny tiny and hard to keep track of. This means they’re prone to “cross-contamination,” in food-allergy terms. If you o…
This is the same issue as Prop 65, and while we can all say "oh the law is bad" the real problem is _corporations are lazy_. Instead of making sure their products are safe, they just say everything is unsafe, because they know consumers will become numb to it. Our food shouldn't contain allergens, and our computer mice shouldn't give us cancer, but instead of taking the time to make sure of that, companies just tell…
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> Meaning that this kind of medical-lab-style cross contamination protocol will either raise the cost of the product or reduce the variety and choice. If the result is a safer population, why wouldn't we want this?
> If the result is a safer population, why wouldn't we want this? There's an anecdote that an AI was asked to make trains safer, and it decided that the trains should never leave the station. Quality of life involves some risk. IE, you need to exercise, but you might injure yourself doing it.
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Re: FDA warns top U.S. bakery not to claim foods contain allergens when they don't
#498My understanding is this allergen over-labeling was inspired by the FDA in the first place. https://www.fastcompany.com/90830854/sesame-seed-allergen-fd... From the linked article (from Jan 2023): But sesame does differ in one distinct way from eggs, peanuts, shellfish, milk, and soy: The seeds are teeny tiny and hard to keep track of. This means they’re prone to “cross-contamination,” in food-allergy terms. If you o…
This is the same issue as Prop 65, and while we can all say "oh the law is bad" the real problem is _corporations are lazy_. Instead of making sure their products are safe, they just say everything is unsafe, because they know consumers will become numb to it. Our food shouldn't contain allergens, and our computer mice shouldn't give us cancer, but instead of taking the time to make sure of that, companies just tell…
>Our food shouldn't contain allergens
Every protein is allergenic to somebody, and even some non-proteins are allergenic (e.g., they are small molecules that can get inside a somatic protein, which changes the somatic protein's shape, which makes the somatic protein allergenic).
Re: FDA warns top U.S. bakery not to claim foods contain allergens when they don't
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This is the same issue as Prop 65, and while we can all say "oh the law is bad" the real problem is _corporations are lazy_. Instead of making sure their products are safe, they just say everything is unsafe, because they know consumers will become numb to it. Our food shouldn't contain allergens, and our computer mice shouldn't give us cancer, but instead of taking the time to make sure of that, companies just tell…
If the law doesn’t take into account human and corporate behavior, it’s not a good law. It may ultimately be the corporation’s “fault” but that doesn’t change the fact that the law created perverse incentives. I hear the same argument for the GDPR laws that have resulted in annoying cookie banners everywhere. Sure, it’s technically the website owner’s fault for spying and adding a shitty banner, but… those banners di…
GDPR is the dumbest recent law I can think of. Even if a website has no intent to track users, it's way too hard (aka expensive) to tell if you're compliant without slapping on a banner.
Re: FDA warns top U.S. bakery not to claim foods contain allergens when they don't
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> Do you also think that's an unfair burden to put on the roughly-90% of people who are not mobility-impaired? Not op, but I share his view and don't think commercial buildings should be forced to accommodate people who are mobility-impaired.
Then you should hope to never become mobility impaired :) Remember, we are all just temporarily abled and one accident away from needing accomodation from society.
Exactly. It's like insurance, even if you have no sympathy, you're probably ok paying a little for other people's accidents because you could just as easily have one. Allergens are different, though.