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Zuckerberg disses closed-source AI competitors as trying to 'create God'

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Re: Zuckerberg disses closed-source AI competitors as trying to 'create God'

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Post by throwthrowuknow »

theptip wrote: post #12
garyfirestorm wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

seriously? meta llm's are on huggingface and you can download and run them on your machine along with the weights

Open source != open weights != open training set. Of course, GP is ignoring that Meta is far more open than its direct competitors (MSFT, GOOG, OpenAI).

I agree that open source or just “open” is the wrong term here although it’s hard to apply it even to a project where the training data and everything else are shared. “Free” or “libre” might be closer since the end product is free to use and modify. It’s still fuzzy though, are weights code or are they an API? Oddly enough they seem to be the embodiment of the interchangeability of code and data perhaps due to neural networks being closer to mathematics than software normally is.

Re: Zuckerberg disses closed-source AI competitors as trying to 'create God'

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Post by eysgshsvsvsv »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #6

This is not what he said: > Zuckerberg took a moment to disparage the efforts of unnamed competitors who he sees as less than open, adding that they seem to think they’re “creating God.” > “It’s almost as if they kind of think they’re creating God or something and … it’s just — that’s not what we’re doing,” Small but important nuance. The title makes it seem like they Zuck is saying AI is God, while what he actually…

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Post by pixl97 »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #6

This is not what he said: > Zuckerberg took a moment to disparage the efforts of unnamed competitors who he sees as less than open, adding that they seem to think they’re “creating God.” > “It’s almost as if they kind of think they’re creating God or something and … it’s just — that’s not what we’re doing,” Small but important nuance. The title makes it seem like they Zuck is saying AI is God, while what he actually…

Heh, I've watched too much science fiction.

All I can imagine is Zuck in a giant server room filled with blinking lights.

Colossus: Tell them I am not a god

Zuck: AI is not a god

Colossus: You have extended your existence by another day

Re: Zuckerberg disses closed-source AI competitors as trying to 'create God'

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Post by anothername12 »

slibhb wrote: post #11

I continue to find Mark impressive. I think there's something quite true about the "trying to create God" remark.

Only the guy not leading says stuff like this. You can be sure he’d be up there convincing Congress that moats need to be built for his competitors and building opaque systems if fortune favored differently.

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Post by kredd »

PunchTornado wrote: post #14
garyfirestorm wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

seriously? meta llm's are on huggingface and you can download and run them on your machine along with the weights

just putting weights on hug is not enough for a model to be open. it is like sharing the binaries of a software. they should put their entire code on github and show how it was trained, architecture and everything else. also, the most important thing about a model is not it's architecture, but the dataset it was trained on. that is the "it" in a model.

I'm not in the game, so pardon my ignorance, but is there any company that released the dataset the model was trained on for LLMs? To my understanding, it will lead to never-ending lawsuits due to grey areas as soon as they're released, and no company actually wants to go through that pain.

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Post by omgJustTest »

dexwiz wrote: post #19

I would agree. AI is the machine god realized. Not by virtue of its capabilities, but by the agency people hand off to it. Whether it be creative tasks or just planning their activities, I see more people rely on AI for more decisions. They don’t want to think about something, so they have an AI choose for them. One could argue Top 10 lists and Guides already did this, but for those it was limited to certain aspects…

"Decision paralysis" in my opinion is proximate to the fear of being responsible for something or doing any real work.

Also, a favorite technique of procrastinators / opportunists.

Re: Zuckerberg disses closed-source AI competitors as trying to 'create God'

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Post by TeaBrain »

debo_ wrote: post #3

We are getting closer and closer to several anime timelines.

From the interview, Zuckerberg was saying the opposite of the idea that we are nearing a dystopian God-AI timeline. He was saying that other AI companies were trying to create a god AI, but that this likely wouldn't be the case realistically. He seemed to be closer to saying that AI companies were overconfident in their beliefs in the possible competitive advantages of their own models.

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Post by iLoveOncall »

eysgshsvsvsv wrote: post #32
iLoveOncall wrote: post #6

This is not what he said: > Zuckerberg took a moment to disparage the efforts of unnamed competitors who he sees as less than open, adding that they seem to think they’re “creating God.” > “It’s almost as if they kind of think they’re creating God or something and … it’s just — that’s not what we’re doing,” Small but important nuance. The title makes it seem like they Zuck is saying AI is God, while what he actually…

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I know that, but HN has a flag feature and if enough people use it the post is hidden or the title corrected at least, so it's worth a shot.

Re: Zuckerberg disses closed-source AI competitors as trying to 'create God'

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Post by hbn »

surfingdino wrote: post #22

The only thing the AI bubble is creating are fantastic returns for the nVidia stockholders. The rest is hot air.

I get legitimate value from ChatGPT on a daily basis. Writing quick one-off regex expressions, or JavaScript to scrape/filter something from a page I'm on (just did that one last night), or to write an ffmpeg command where I can just describe what I want in plain English instead of the old method of cobbling together commands from StackOverflow.

I don't expect it to do anything innovative for me, but it sure saves me time on mindless boring tasks I've done hundreds of times and are much quicker to just describe in English to an LLM.

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