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FCC rule would make carriers unlock all phones after 60 days

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Re: FCC rule would make carriers unlock all phones after 60 days

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Without provisions for equipment installment plans, this would likely end financing of phones by carriers (potentially pushing consumers to higher cost mechanisms, like credit cards or other traditional credit instruments). When locked, the phone is the collateral. Free and clear phones should be unlocked immediately.

Yep, no more carrier locked $20 iPhones.

Re: FCC rule would make carriers unlock all phones after 60 days

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Without provisions for equipment installment plans, this would likely end financing of phones by carriers (potentially pushing consumers to higher cost mechanisms, like credit cards or other traditional credit instruments). When locked, the phone is the collateral. Free and clear phones should be unlocked immediately.

Is the phone really collateral in these financing agreements? They just want the guaranteed revenue stream from forcing you to stick with them for 2 years. I imagine it would be quite expensive to go retrieve the phone from someone's house after they stop paying, and they could do that even if it wasn't locked to a particular carrier.

I think the threshold for repossession of collateral is somewhere around cars; stop paying your car lease, they'll take the car; stop paying for your house, they'll kick you out of your house. But I don't think it's worth it for phones.

Re: FCC rule would make carriers unlock all phones after 60 days

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Without provisions for equipment installment plans, this would likely end financing of phones by carriers (potentially pushing consumers to higher cost mechanisms, like credit cards or other traditional credit instruments). When locked, the phone is the collateral. Free and clear phones should be unlocked immediately.

Markets exist where SIM locking has been prohibited for a long time (Wikipedia says Canada, Chile, China, Israel, and Singapore at least). Financing still exists in these countries. The phone is absolutely not "collateral". The carrier does not take it back if you default (even if they could, they wouldn't be able to get anything of value for it). Unlocking is just an inconvenience that prevents enough people from ch…

I believe he meant financing will become more expensive, which may actually increase the consumer cost over a fixed period (if the carriers are not willing to decrease the plan prices which are jacked up to compensate the contracts).

Re: FCC rule would make carriers unlock all phones after 60 days

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Without provisions for equipment installment plans, this would likely end financing of phones by carriers (potentially pushing consumers to higher cost mechanisms, like credit cards or other traditional credit instruments). When locked, the phone is the collateral. Free and clear phones should be unlocked immediately.

For me, never again encountering a locked phone would far outweigh the utility of being able to finance a phone. There should be no need to make a basically disposable item like a phone collateral: just buy it.

Re: FCC rule would make carriers unlock all phones after 60 days

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post #4

Without provisions for equipment installment plans, this would likely end financing of phones by carriers (potentially pushing consumers to higher cost mechanisms, like credit cards or other traditional credit instruments). When locked, the phone is the collateral. Free and clear phones should be unlocked immediately.

Markets exist where SIM locking has been prohibited for a long time (Wikipedia says Canada, Chile, China, Israel, and Singapore at least). Financing still exists in these countries. The phone is absolutely not "collateral". The carrier does not take it back if you default (even if they could, they wouldn't be able to get anything of value for it). Unlocking is just an inconvenience that prevents enough people from ch…

And in EU, it is technically not prohibited, but haven't really been a thing for a long time.

One caveat: carriers do not really pay for your phones. Your phone bill would list two separate charges: service charge, for calls, internet use, etc., and then the monthly payment for your phone. If you add all those monthly payments over the whole contract period you get maybe 5-10% discount to the regular market price.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Markets exist where SIM locking has been prohibited for a long time (Wikipedia says Canada, Chile, China, Israel, and Singapore at least). Financing still exists in these countries. The phone is absolutely not "collateral". The carrier does not take it back if you default (even if they could, they wouldn't be able to get anything of value for it). Unlocking is just an inconvenience that prevents enough people from ch…

They'd still make you pay off the full amount before you could close off your account. Pretty standard in the US. Locking is just an evil way to add more friction.

People with nothing don’t care if they get sent to collections, hence the need to have some control over the device while monies are owed for it. Just like vehicle interlocks for subprime auto notes.

Until you pay off the collateral, it isn’t your ownership, simply permission to use while servicing the debt.

Re: FCC rule would make carriers unlock all phones after 60 days

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Why 60 days? Why not zero days? If you're going to take away their extrajudicial means of contract enforcement, what's the point of this residue? The only purpose for leaving it would be to confuse the customer about whether they can unlock, and to allow companies to make the process burdensome and confusing. The reason carriers fight to preserve this isn't for enforcement of the contract at all, it's because of the…

For premium devices, lock for 60 days reduce chances that the devices are stolen during shipment then appear in Shenzhen next day.

As someone received a perfectly packaged empty box this year, I think this is not ideal but reasonable.

Re: FCC rule would make carriers unlock all phones after 60 days

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post #4

Without provisions for equipment installment plans, this would likely end financing of phones by carriers (potentially pushing consumers to higher cost mechanisms, like credit cards or other traditional credit instruments). When locked, the phone is the collateral. Free and clear phones should be unlocked immediately.

Markets exist where SIM locking has been prohibited for a long time (Wikipedia says Canada, Chile, China, Israel, and Singapore at least). Financing still exists in these countries. The phone is absolutely not "collateral". The carrier does not take it back if you default (even if they could, they wouldn't be able to get anything of value for it). Unlocking is just an inconvenience that prevents enough people from ch…

It's purely anti-competitive and anti-consumer.
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