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Supreme Court blocks controversial Purdue Pharma opioid settlement

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Especially since this 5-4 decision didn't follow the "conservative" or "liberal" split at all.

How they voted(Name and the party of the administration that picked them): Majority Neil Gorsuch (Rep.) Samuel A. Alito Jr (Rep) Clarence Thomas (Rep) Ketanji Brown Jackson (Dem) Amy Coney Barrett (Rep) ======= Minority John G. Roberts(Rep) Sonia Sotomeyer(Dem) Elena Kagan(Dem) Brent Kavanagh(Rep) Whats really surprising is how Gorusch is quite the wildcard, he also authored the majority decision that said that 1/2 o…

Its almost like they arent just a political body.

Nah… thats unthinkable

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One problem of which I was unaware is that the Sackler family has largely fled the United States. Pursuing their assets introduces vast complexities of international law. "In a brief filed on behalf of the relatives of Mortimer Sackler, most of whom are based overseas, lawyers warned of “significant litigation costs and risks” in seeking to enforce any foreign court judgments against the family if the settlement were…

> "In a brief filed on behalf of the relatives of Mortimer Sackler, most of whom are based overseas, lawyers warned of “significant litigation costs and risks” in seeking to enforce any foreign court judgments against the family if the settlement were thrown out." I understand your point, but basically they are saying: "We hid all our assets to evade the law. Give us immunity from criminal money laundering evasion an…

> "We hid all our assets to evade the law. Give us immunity from criminal money laundering evasion and we will only pay part of what we likely would have owed."

> We have those overseas money reporting laws that make it difficult for Americans to get bank accounts overseas. Let's use them!

This is conflating two things.

It is not criminal to move money offshore, and nothing suggested any money laundering occurred, because it is not necessary to launder money to move it offshore. And it is also not money laundering to obfuscate money's origin or destination. Money laundering requires a criminal origin and then obfuscation.

Despite how much the US has convinced its entire culture to stigmatize the concept of moving money, the US is operating in its own bubble of hubris to suggest money has to stay within its ecosystem. It doesn't make any sense at all when you say it out loud does it?

To your second point, the US has reporting laws on money held offshore legally, for US citizens. For banks, this is merely an additional compliance burden that disincentivizes them from dealing with small accounts because its not worth it. But at Sackler money, it is worth it. It is not hard to find someone to bank you as an American. And at Sackler levels of money you don't have to remain a US citizen, hence absolving the reporting requirements if they went that direction.

Or when you have a second citizenship, you can just not tell the US about it, and you can just not tell the foreign bank about your US citizenship. Prosecute that on its own, if you find out.

and finally, there are gaps in this reporting framework. FATCA treaty was a broad expansion of a country's power, to the limit of our global society in the continuum of history. And its not completely as omnipresent as the American psyche imagined. Just like the global sanctions attempt on Russia showed, its a nice try but now everyone can see how much is hubris in plain sight.

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Lawyers are fixated on the money for obvious reasons, but the money will never really fix what the Sacklers did (particularly for the many victims who are now dead.) Restitution is largely a farce and we should be focusing on retribution.

I'm really not sure what other retribution you're suggesting. There's always public lynching if that's what you're after, but we've kind of decided that is not a good idea in modern society

They could be imprisoned.

Re: Supreme Court blocks controversial Purdue Pharma opioid settlement

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I understand people who think the Sacklers are villains who destroyed lives, Purdue should be shut down, and we should transform the legal regime around opioids. I understand people who think Purdue should continue, the status quo is OK, and the Sacklers are not [simply] villainous. I don't understand people who think the Sacklers are villains who destroyed lives, but Purdue should continue operating more-or-less as-…

1) I don’t think this is an accurate read of the situation but others discuss that

2) a company is a set of processes and infrastructure, with some legal rights to employ people etc. The decisions of a driver of a car are the drivers fault not the cars. The car itself may be unsafe and should be adjusted if it’s possible. But there is no point in destroying the car if it has utility with different drivers and safety. Revenge isn’t a good reason to dismantle infrastructure. Revenge can only be taken on humans.

3) yes if you know people with chronic pain opioids are the difference between a full life and an early suicide. The consequence of all this is all opioid use is treated as potentially criminal by everyone involved from pharmacies to doctors to patients. This isn’t a feature this is a flaw. And the lack of legal opioid access is leading chronic sufferers into fentanyl from the street.

Re: Supreme Court blocks controversial Purdue Pharma opioid settlement

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I changed the URL from https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/06/opioid-settlement-to... to an article that has more information and a less baity title. If there's a better (more accurate and neutral) article, we can change it again.

Seems impossible to read Washington Post articles without opening them in incognito mode.

Re: Supreme Court blocks controversial Purdue Pharma opioid settlement

#346

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Especially since this 5-4 decision didn't follow the "conservative" or "liberal" split at all.

How they voted(Name and the party of the administration that picked them): Majority Neil Gorsuch (Rep.) Samuel A. Alito Jr (Rep) Clarence Thomas (Rep) Ketanji Brown Jackson (Dem) Amy Coney Barrett (Rep) ======= Minority John G. Roberts(Rep) Sonia Sotomeyer(Dem) Elena Kagan(Dem) Brent Kavanagh(Rep) Whats really surprising is how Gorusch is quite the wildcard, he also authored the majority decision that said that 1/2 o…

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Re: Supreme Court blocks controversial Purdue Pharma opioid settlement

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If I had lost a family member to drug abuse I would want justice (ie. jail time) not money.

justice from whom? Just because they got a prescription doesn't mean they lost complete body autonomy. The lack of personal responsibility regarding drugs around here is insane.

Opioids are highly addictive. If you're vulnerable and your doctor eagerly prescribes them because it feeds their wallet, you can easily loose control.

Don't blame the victims.

Re: Supreme Court blocks controversial Purdue Pharma opioid settlement

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post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One problem of which I was unaware is that the Sackler family has largely fled the United States. Pursuing their assets introduces vast complexities of international law. "In a brief filed on behalf of the relatives of Mortimer Sackler, most of whom are based overseas, lawyers warned of “significant litigation costs and risks” in seeking to enforce any foreign court judgments against the family if the settlement were…

Considering the patience the US has with getting justice against other individuals who have fled our jurisdiction, we could do the same here. We also have an enormous amount of influence in the financial sector in other western nations, so we could at least make their lives less lavish and comfortable. Throwing up our hands and declaring it an unsolvable issue just encourages others to misbehave and then escape the s…

With that first sentence, I thought this might be doing down the road of, "boy, there sure is a lot of 'democracy' that needs to be spread."

Re: Supreme Court blocks controversial Purdue Pharma opioid settlement

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US$ 6bi to be disbursed across hundreds of local governments to use for settlements over millions of individuals is nothing compared to the damage the Sacklers inflicted. On top of that having a sweet deal to never see any future liability case is an egregious misjustice. The minimum would be for them to be arrested, if we pushed drugs to someone who eventually dies from it we wouldn't be getting just a fine. At the…

It really depends on what you mean by "pushed drugs". If you or I recommended that someone should get an oxycodone prescription from their doctor, and they eventually died after getting that prescription, I don't think we'd get arrested or fined. (And the Sacklers were never getting criminal immunity in the first place.)

That doesn’t describe what happened.

Re: Supreme Court blocks controversial Purdue Pharma opioid settlement

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post #259

I changed the URL from https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/06/opioid-settlement-to... to an article that has more information and a less baity title. If there's a better (more accurate and neutral) article, we can change it again.

i vote link to the ruling itself
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