From being a programmer to becoming an entrepreneur

Re: From being a programmer to becoming an entrepreneur - Lesson 0

#21

Post by bitwize » Thu, Jun 07, 2012, 6:21 PM UTC

tbergeron wrote: post #11

I read until I stumbled upon that line: "I've been a programmer since I was six." You're NOT a programmer at six, you are a KID. You can play with computers, but being a programmer is a whole other story. You can tell yourself you're a programmer when you can code through a project by yourself, write classes, do OOP, implement basic concepts, differ public from static, know your data types, and more and more. You are…

No, you can only call yourself a professional programmer if you've worked as one. When you successfully program a computer, even if it's just:

10 PRINT "COCKS"

20 GOTO 10

-- you are a programmer.

Re: From being a programmer to becoming an entrepreneur - Lesson 0

#22

Post by heliodor » Thu, Jun 07, 2012, 7:12 PM UTC

bitwize wrote: post #21

tbergeron wrote: post #11

I read until I stumbled upon that line: "I've been a programmer since I was six." You're NOT a programmer at six, you are a KID. You can play with computers, but being a programmer is a whole other story. You can tell yourself you're a programmer when you can code through a project by yourself, write classes, do OOP, implement basic concepts, differ public from static, know your data types, and more and more. You are…

No, you can only call yourself a professional programmer if you've worked as one. When you successfully program a computer, even if it's just: 10 PRINT "COCKS" 20 GOTO 10 -- you are a programmer.

Hmm, try replacing "programmer" with "garbage man" in your sentence.

Re: From being a programmer to becoming an entrepreneur - Lesson 0

#23

Post by yolesaber » Thu, Jun 07, 2012, 8:41 PM UTC

iamgopal wrote: post #18

tbergeron wrote: post #11

I read until I stumbled upon that line: "I've been a programmer since I was six." You're NOT a programmer at six, you are a KID. You can play with computers, but being a programmer is a whole other story. You can tell yourself you're a programmer when you can code through a project by yourself, write classes, do OOP, implement basic concepts, differ public from static, know your data types, and more and more. You are…

when I was 8 or 10, I learned c with if and for loop and most basic of the language. I made a working chess text game using only ifs and loops, without even using any function etc. and well, I and family members actually played it a lot. and I think I have been programmer since.

Heh reminds me of when I made my own Douglas Adams-esque text adventure in Python using only a huge chain of ifs and prints. I remember thinking the hardest part was doing all the typing!

Re: From being a programmer to becoming an entrepreneur - Lesson 0

#24

Post by comatose_kid » Thu, Jun 07, 2012, 9:18 PM UTC

ivanvanderbyl wrote: post #3

xxiao wrote: post #2

pretty nice summary. i noticed most similar postings are all about js/python/ruby here, i'm an embedded linux hacker and i wish there is a place we can talk about both hardware and software for products, not just the web, maybe it's time to create one?

I'm a ruby developer but I'd be very interested in learning more about embedded programming.

I have done a bunch of embedded development in the past. Embedded.com was a good resource. There's a lot to know so it is difficult to be really concise. Get to know lower level languages if you don't already (c, bit operations). Know how to disassemble code and read it. Monkey around with an arduino, then beagleboard. There are a few good books - anything by jack ganssle (sp?) is usually a good start.

Re: From being a programmer to becoming an entrepreneur - Lesson 0

#25

Post by bgilroy26 » Thu, Jun 07, 2012, 10:46 PM UTC

heliodor wrote: post #22

bitwize wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, you can only call yourself a professional programmer if you've worked as one. When you successfully program a computer, even if it's just: 10 PRINT "COCKS" 20 GOTO 10 -- you are a programmer.

Hmm, try replacing "programmer" with "garbage man" in your sentence.

I don't understand your comment. If you ride around in the truck and throw the garbage in, you're a garbage man.

We have tons of words for "programmer", enough to provide us with some nuance -- I think it's safe to say that the kid couldn't describe himself as a "software architect" -- we don't have as many for "garbage man".

Re: From being a programmer to becoming an entrepreneur - Lesson 0

#26

Post by telent » Fri, Jun 08, 2012, 11:44 AM UTC

tbergeron wrote: post #11

I read until I stumbled upon that line: "I've been a programmer since I was six." You're NOT a programmer at six, you are a KID. You can play with computers, but being a programmer is a whole other story. You can tell yourself you're a programmer when you can code through a project by yourself, write classes, do OOP, implement basic concepts, differ public from static, know your data types, and more and more. You are…

I'm a cyclist but I've never worked as one

Re: From being a programmer to becoming an entrepreneur - Lesson 0

#27

Post by tbergeron » Mon, Jun 11, 2012, 2:48 AM UTC

jasim wrote: post #14

tbergeron wrote: post #11

I read until I stumbled upon that line: "I've been a programmer since I was six." You're NOT a programmer at six, you are a KID. You can play with computers, but being a programmer is a whole other story. You can tell yourself you're a programmer when you can code through a project by yourself, write classes, do OOP, implement basic concepts, differ public from static, know your data types, and more and more. You are…

> You can tell yourself you're a programmer when you can code through a project by yourself, write classes, do OOP, implement basic concepts, differ public from static, know your data types, and more and more. Knowing all that helps, but it doesn't mean you can't produce something meaningful without knowing all that. It would be hard, but doesn't make it impossible. > You are not a programmer until you work as one. T…

There's a nuance there and it's called an amateur. If I use this concept I could be anything and if everyone tells they're everything than what's the use of titles?

You can be a passionate, an amateur but to be a programmer, a professional programmer there's only one way of becoming it and it's by doing a professional job.