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"Flame could only have been developed by a wealthy nation-state" While I do agree that it was indeed developed by one, I'm not sure how it could only have been developed by one. Would it truly take massive levels of money to do or simply some smart, determined people?
I don't get why he thinks it must have been a nation-state either. Why a nation-state rather than any large country?
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Its actually a shame, in the pursuit of blaming the USA and/or Israel people lose common sense. Look, It seems that it was certainly USA/Israel, but throwing common sense out the window just so we can make this point is not a good idea. What these people are saying, essentially is that very few countries have lots of smart people in different industry's, which is wrong. The zero days can come from all over, the PLC a…
...but the US is not a nation-state.
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Those submarines are crude, has you seen pictures? And submarines and cell phone networks are pretty standard technologies, well understood, that any competent engineer can build off of off the shelve components. It's not like drug cartels are Dr. No like enterprises...
> And submarines and cell phone networks are pretty standard technologies, well understood,... But what about, well, drugs? Don't drug cartels employ chemists to refine old drugs and develop "better" ones?
They mostly iterate on known drugs to make their making cheaper / more addictive. And they can easily test on junkies (I presume).
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you don't get world class cryptanalysts and mathematicians working on such a specific endeavor out of "determination" In World War II, you had such in Poland: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marian_Rejewski (Who deserves some of the credit for cracking Enigma and thus for the outcome of World War II.) What you can get for lots of money, you can also get for patriotism and somewhat less money. There are over 30 countries…
Yes, but I was talking in context here. The level of patriotism you had in Poland in World War II, is nothing like the (far lower) level of patriotism you get of scientists in affluent modern states in no immediate danger. Plus, the rest of the context is the target of the attack and precedence. Given those constraints, one can only thing of 2 such states. And it's not like those "30 countries with populations over 4…
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...but the US is not a nation-state.
You have repeated this multiple times on this thread. Would you like to explain what you mean?
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-nation-state.htm
You people are fucking ignorant.
"Flame could only have been developed by a wealthy nation-state" While I do agree that it was indeed developed by one, I'm not sure how it could only have been developed by one. Would it truly take massive levels of money to do or simply some smart, determined people?
Its actually a shame, in the pursuit of blaming the USA and/or Israel people lose common sense. Look, It seems that it was certainly USA/Israel, but throwing common sense out the window just so we can make this point is not a good idea. What these people are saying, essentially is that very few countries have lots of smart people in different industry's, which is wrong. The zero days can come from all over, the PLC a…
From what I've read, SCADA leaves an aspect of its system wide open and insecure, to make development easier.
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I don't get why he thinks it must have been a nation-state either. Why a nation-state rather than any large country?
Perhaps I just don't understand the terminology here, but which large countries are not considered nation-states?
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-nation-state.htm
If you don't know what the term means, maybe it's best to avoid using it? Or read a fucking book once in a while.
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I don't get why he thinks it must have been a nation-state either. Why a nation-state rather than any large country?
Perhaps I just don't understand the terminology here, but which large countries are not considered nation-states?
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Absolutely. I have very little doubt that it was indeed a nation-state who developed it; but, my main issue is with the distinction of it being a "wealthy" one. Couldn't Flame, perhaps, have been developed by Iran and released on themselves as a means for drumming up anti-Israeli or anti-American sentiment? I realize something like that is totally conjecture; but, I don't see it as any further conjecture than, "it mu…
Considering that the New York Times this week published a leak from within the administration admitting responsibility for Stuxnet and Duqu, both of which targeted Iran, do you honestly believe that Iran developing Flame as a false flag operation is equally credible?
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Would one smart, determined person, working in his spare time and for his own satisfaction, be capable of doing it? I mean, if I had the capability to screw up Iran's nuclear program in my spare time I probably would, because, y'know, fuck Iran.
> I mean, if I had the capability to screw up Iran's nuclear program in my spare time I probably would, because, y'know, fuck Iran. Fuck Iran why exactly? Because toppling their democratically elected government and establishing a puppet in the fifties wasn't enough? Or arming Saddam's Iraq to fight them in the eighties? Or maybe because, say, TX can execute 15 year old "criminals" and ban abortion and/or gay marriag…