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Re: 25 years of video clips gone as Paramount axes Comedy Central wesbite

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Post by rsanek »

theturtletalks wrote: post #103
beej71 wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While this is a great idea, it's generally illegal for IA to share that content. And it's looking increasingly unlikely IA will be in existence 90 years from now, so it's unclear there'd be a point in them simply archiving it. If copyright were 14 years, if give IA a lot more of a chance of still being around then. And apparently the videos are no longer available to download, so it's not an option, anyway. Barring s…

I think down below, they are saying the episodes aren't gone, just paywalled behind Paramount+ now.

third paragraph of the linked article

> Unfortunately for those in search of older episodes of The Daily Show and The Colbert Report, neither can be found on Paramount+.

Re: 25 years of video clips gone as Paramount axes Comedy Central wesbite

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Post by vkou »

mcmcmc wrote: post #151
ncallaway wrote: post #77

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I'm pretty open to doing something like this broadly, but I think this is especially important for software. Things like video games are much harder to archive than text. Keeping them running 70 years after the death of the author is already a herculean task. Doing that, when no copies are being distributed could make that entirely impossible. The current copyright system is going to rob the public domain of many of…

What makes you think you’re entitled to other people’s work?

The same thing that makes people entitled to society expending resources on the very real, physical legal protection of intangible ideas that they 'own'.

Creative works aren't made in a vacuum, all creators take from the public domain. They have an obligation to give back to it.

Copyright and patent terms were designed to facilitate that. The endless extensions of the former were a cynical, self-serving attack on a public good.

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Post by bandrami »

onion2k wrote: post #163
sytelus wrote: post #127

This is complete incompetence from their leadership who show no value to their own content. They could have easily auctioned off/sold very old content to someone else but that kind of thinking would be beyond their competency. It's no wonder they go in such huge losses despite of having loyal audience and monopoly over unparalleled content. To this day I cannot get over the fact that there are literally millions docu…

They could have easily auctioned off/sold very old content to someone else.. That assumes they own the exclusive rights to the content. A lot of media has many rights holders (writers, music, etc), and you need to get them all to agree a sale or waive their right in order to sell. That could be expensive because it's involve lots and lots of lawyers. For a bunch of old comedy clips it might not make any commercial se…

This sounds like regulatory failure creating a deadweight loss. IP rights were invented to further the creation and distribution of works in the arts and sciences; if they're making it prohibitively difficult we're doing it wrong.

Re: 25 years of video clips gone as Paramount axes Comedy Central wesbite

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Post by bandrami »

vincnetas wrote: post #201
sytelus wrote: post #127

This is complete incompetence from their leadership who show no value to their own content. They could have easily auctioned off/sold very old content to someone else but that kind of thinking would be beyond their competency. It's no wonder they go in such huge losses despite of having loyal audience and monopoly over unparalleled content. To this day I cannot get over the fact that there are literally millions docu…

They're not deleting that content. They just moving it to paramount+ subscription service.

Unfortunately most of their properties aren't on Paramount+

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Post by majewsky »

gnicholas wrote: post #204
jpk wrote: post #55

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I'm reminded of how trademarks work: If you don't bother to defend them, then you lose them. Maybe copyright should be the same way: If you're not distributing copies any longer, you lose the copyright protection.

So if someone makes a painting, or a sculpture, she would have to create and distribute copies or risk losing protection? I could see how this might make sense for things that can be perfectly copied, but not so much for anything that is even slightly 3D.

So then make the rule just for cheaply copiable media. Copyright already has lots of specific rights that only appear to certain forms of media, e.g. the right to broadcast exists for movies, but not for statues.

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Post by bandrami »

mcmcmc wrote: post #151
ncallaway wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pretty open to doing something like this broadly, but I think this is especially important for software. Things like video games are much harder to archive than text. Keeping them running 70 years after the death of the author is already a herculean task. Doing that, when no copies are being distributed could make that entirely impossible. The current copyright system is going to rob the public domain of many of…

What makes you think you’re entitled to other people’s work?

Because they published it; they were free not to do so if they didn't want anybody to reproduce or distribute it (in fact that seems like the easiest way to do so).

In order to encourage more people to make these works, however, our government grants them a temporary, limited monopoly on the work's reproduction and distribution, but this is a means to an end that we agree to for utilitarian reasons, not some kind of actual inherent right on their part or responsibility on mine.

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Post by majewsky »

nutrie wrote: post #181
TeMPOraL wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Let’s say I make a painting and put it in the drawer, never to be seen again. Do I lose the copyright then and someone is permitted to come to my home and take it away? If you paint something, show to a few people, then decide to put it in the drawer, nobody cares. However, if you displayed that painting in galleries for the past 20 years, became semi-famous for it, and then decide to destroy your work, I'd say the…

Copyright laws don’t care that nobody cares. This is a misconception of the concept.

This discussion is obviously about what the law should be rather than what it is.

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Post by bandrami »

rendaw wrote: post #208
mcmcmc wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What makes you think you’re entitled to other people’s work?

I've been thinking about this a lot lately, and I do think there's something like a "right to ideas". Like you can't tell someone to just forget about something, things people experience become a part of them and I think it's reasonable to expect they should be able to share that with others. I mean, after life + 70 years you already are entitled to other people's work. And a purpose of patents was to get people to r…

Remember that guy who had made a giant website with the word counts of a whole ton of books and authors lost their collective minds over it? I think a lot of writers sincerely believe he needed their "permission" to count the words in their books.

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Post by Digit-Al »

varunnrao wrote: post #104

What I find really interesting is that all these studios who ran TV channels for so many years fumbled the bag when it came to streaming.. It's like all these people who basically were in content distribution didn't really wise up to the next, new thing in their business even as it happened in front of their eyes. It's pretty wild that Paramount+/Disney+/Peacock or whatever really struggle to get going, especially gi…

The worst part is that we already had a perfectly viable model: Netflix paid for the rights to everything and gave access to everybody for a reasonable monthly fee. Then the studios got greedy and thought "why should we let a middleman take a slice of our profits?" They took back the rights and started their own streaming services thinking that people would be happy to pay the same amount of money to access the tiny bit of content that they liked from that studio as they were previously paying to get everything. Inevitably, nobody could afford 10 subscriptions, and now their crappy services have reduced subscriber numbers and are either struggling to make a profit or going bankrupt.
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