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Re: 25 years of video clips gone as Paramount axes Comedy Central wesbite

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Post by nutrie » Thu, Jun 27, 2024, 7:23 AM UTC

TeMPOraL wrote: post #134

nutrie wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let’s say I make a painting and put it in the drawer, never to be seen again. Do I lose the copyright then and someone is permitted to come to my home and take it away? That’s just one example of possible implications. My point being, trademark is directly tied to the dynamics of the free market, while copyright only indirectly. And copyright is not forever.

> Let’s say I make a painting and put it in the drawer, never to be seen again. Do I lose the copyright then and someone is permitted to come to my home and take it away? If you paint something, show to a few people, then decide to put it in the drawer, nobody cares. However, if you displayed that painting in galleries for the past 20 years, became semi-famous for it, and then decide to destroy your work, I'd say the…

Copyright laws don’t care that nobody cares. This is a misconception of the concept.

Re: 25 years of video clips gone as Paramount axes Comedy Central wesbite

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Post by whoknowsidont » Thu, Jun 27, 2024, 7:23 AM UTC

sytelus wrote: post #127

This is complete incompetence from their leadership who show no value to their own content. They could have easily auctioned off/sold very old content to someone else but that kind of thinking would be beyond their competency. It's no wonder they go in such huge losses despite of having loyal audience and monopoly over unparalleled content. To this day I cannot get over the fact that there are literally millions docu…

> This is complete incompetence from their leadership who show no value to their own content

Have you not seen the U.S.? It doesn't matter. The system is orchestrated to existing money-people making money simply for having it in the first place.

Even "bankruptcy" doesn't mean anything anymore.

Your interest or legitimate use cases do. not matter. At all. Ever. For entertainment or technology.

Re: 25 years of video clips gone as Paramount axes Comedy Central wesbite

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jun 27, 2024, 7:23 AM UTC

sytelus wrote: post #138

varunnrao wrote: post #104

What I find really interesting is that all these studios who ran TV channels for so many years fumbled the bag when it came to streaming.. It's like all these people who basically were in content distribution didn't really wise up to the next, new thing in their business even as it happened in front of their eyes. It's pretty wild that Paramount+/Disney+/Peacock or whatever really struggle to get going, especially gi…

These studios used to make ton of money because only a few are in town. Now, every teenager is his/her own studio and content pool is so vast that their revues must shrink. They have nowhere to run. I think their end state is to publish on YouTube/Netflix and continue living at fraction of revenue that they are used to. That's what they should prepare for and plan for. Their existence and importance was supported by…

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Re: 25 years of video clips gone as Paramount axes Comedy Central wesbite

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Post by leni536 » Thu, Jun 27, 2024, 7:25 AM UTC

TeMPOraL wrote: post #153

leni536 wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it the same StarCraft2 as 10 years ago, or regularly updated?

If we allow the copyright for the whole work to be extended indefinitely through subsequent updates, that kind of defeats the original idea.

Does it? For single player games you can just still use and distribute the original, unpatched version.

I agree that there is lock-in with online multiplayer games, but it's more on the game servers than the distributed content. So it's only marginally a copyright issue.

Re: 25 years of video clips gone as Paramount axes Comedy Central wesbite

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Post by reddalo » Thu, Jun 27, 2024, 7:25 AM UTC

sytelus wrote: post #138

varunnrao wrote: post #104

What I find really interesting is that all these studios who ran TV channels for so many years fumbled the bag when it came to streaming.. It's like all these people who basically were in content distribution didn't really wise up to the next, new thing in their business even as it happened in front of their eyes. It's pretty wild that Paramount+/Disney+/Peacock or whatever really struggle to get going, especially gi…

These studios used to make ton of money because only a few are in town. Now, every teenager is his/her own studio and content pool is so vast that their revues must shrink. They have nowhere to run. I think their end state is to publish on YouTube/Netflix and continue living at fraction of revenue that they are used to. That's what they should prepare for and plan for. Their existence and importance was supported by…

I think you're right. People never had all the content we can access today. So the real competitors of those few big providers are now the millions of people creating new content every day on social media, YouTube, etc.

Re: 25 years of video clips gone as Paramount axes Comedy Central wesbite

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Post by whoknowsidont » Thu, Jun 27, 2024, 7:26 AM UTC

w0z_ wrote: post #178

vasco wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Account from 2023 accusing account from 2007. Mmmm.

I don't really care to recover my older account on my MBP with a dead logic board. Do you want me to recover a really old account for a measurement-contest

Accusing people of the very thing you are doing is quite the play.

Re: 25 years of video clips gone as Paramount axes Comedy Central wesbite

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Post by reddalo » Thu, Jun 27, 2024, 7:26 AM UTC

thenoblesunfish wrote: post #175

This really highlights the need for something like a "right to culture". People deserve a way to personally preserve and enjoy the cultural artifacts that are important to them. I can mostly do that by buying digital music, but (as Jon Stewart would say) with TV and movies, ah-not-so-much.

Piracy is the only realiable history preservation tool.

Re: 25 years of video clips gone as Paramount axes Comedy Central wesbite

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Post by djantje » Thu, Jun 27, 2024, 7:27 AM UTC

onion2k wrote: post #163

sytelus wrote: post #127

This is complete incompetence from their leadership who show no value to their own content. They could have easily auctioned off/sold very old content to someone else but that kind of thinking would be beyond their competency. It's no wonder they go in such huge losses despite of having loyal audience and monopoly over unparalleled content. To this day I cannot get over the fact that there are literally millions docu…

They could have easily auctioned off/sold very old content to someone else.. That assumes they own the exclusive rights to the content. A lot of media has many rights holders (writers, music, etc), and you need to get them all to agree a sale or waive their right in order to sell. That could be expensive because it's involve lots and lots of lawyers. For a bunch of old comedy clips it might not make any commercial se…

But is this content available somewhere else then? Should it not have been archived then or given to those who hold those rights so they could publish?

Re: 25 years of video clips gone as Paramount axes Comedy Central wesbite

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Post by RobertRies » Thu, Jun 27, 2024, 7:28 AM UTC

sytelus wrote: post #138

varunnrao wrote: post #104

What I find really interesting is that all these studios who ran TV channels for so many years fumbled the bag when it came to streaming.. It's like all these people who basically were in content distribution didn't really wise up to the next, new thing in their business even as it happened in front of their eyes. It's pretty wild that Paramount+/Disney+/Peacock or whatever really struggle to get going, especially gi…

These studios used to make ton of money because only a few are in town. Now, every teenager is his/her own studio and content pool is so vast that their revues must shrink. They have nowhere to run. I think their end state is to publish on YouTube/Netflix and continue living at fraction of revenue that they are used to. That's what they should prepare for and plan for. Their existence and importance was supported by…

This is compelling and I think many elements of the spirit of this are true. The only thing I would add is that it will be interesting to see if professional, medium/high budget, polished, "produced" content will remain a stable and significant niche that is distinct from user-generated content. And does the high-production-value content directly compete with low-production value user-created content? And what percentage of a user's consumption it will represent in the future? And does the pool of available time for an individual consumer grow to accommodate both? To put it another way, on some level, all content competes for our time, so it's all in competition. On a different level, a Twitch livestream or TikTok feels like an entirely different category of media from a scripted, high-production-value TV series or movie, and I want both in the world.

While traditional publishers may be losing % of daily media consumption - especially in younger age brackets - it's unclear to me where this trend asymptotes. My intuition is that most people will spend some time on "reels" or livestreams (or whatever), some time on blockbuster movies, some on Broadway plays, and some time on scripted produced "TV style" content. Some will expand their denominator of total time to accommodate additional media sources, others will pick one over the other.

It seems there will be a degree of loss of market share as you allude to, but it's unclear how dramatic it will be and where it stabilizes.

One thing is absolutely 100% for sure though in my opinion: media preservation should be deeply prioritized, and this news seems like a blow to that.

Re: 25 years of video clips gone as Paramount axes Comedy Central wesbite

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Post by w0z_ » Thu, Jun 27, 2024, 7:28 AM UTC

whoknowsidont wrote: post #186

w0z_ wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't really care to recover my older account on my MBP with a dead logic board. Do you want me to recover a really old account for a measurement-contest

Accusing people of the very thing you are doing is quite the play.

an old account I can't log into versus multiple accounts across laptop/desktop/phone is not really a play.