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Re: 25 years of video clips gone as Paramount axes Comedy Central wesbite

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Post by wiseowise »

ralusek wrote: post #33
redundantly wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you also think Adblock is piracy?

Obviously...You use a service, which costs money to run/build/produce, and the way that service is paid for is by advertisement. Your decision that the advertisement is annoying or intrusive isn't what makes your circumvention of it piracy or not, it is your violation of the terms according to which you're being given access to the content. I find it interesting that I have yet to meet a single person advocating for…

> I find it interesting that I have yet to meet a single person advocating for ad blockers on YouTube who, upon being given the option to have an ad-free experience by paying for YouTube premium, choose to do so.

That’s because service is a complete crap, pal. These days I’m staying solely for content released in 2015 and earlier.

Why would I in the right mind support this ADHD driven, rage bait filled dump that exists solely to squeeze money out of every occasion? Modern shite is disproportionally skewed towards digital garbage because it generates more engagement and i’m the one supposed to subsidize that?

Re: 25 years of video clips gone as Paramount axes Comedy Central wesbite

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Post by croes »

lukan wrote: post #82
mattmaroon wrote: post #30

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You’re missing that they want you to subscribe to Paramount Plus, so they’re going to have all of their content there, where you pay them. They mention it in the press release. Their company IS paramount plus now. It’s all going there.

"You’re missing that they want you to subscribe to Paramount Plus, so they’re going to have all of their content there" Most of the comments here seem to have missed that, if true. I did not read the article, the headline implies otherwise, but that surely can be clickbait.

Partially

>Unfortunately for those in search of older episodes of The Daily Show and The Colbert Report, neither can be found on Paramount+.

Re: 25 years of video clips gone as Paramount axes Comedy Central wesbite

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Post by Daz1 »

JanNash wrote: post #95
Daz1 wrote: post #42

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Sorry but this pointless semantic argument has been thoroughly debunked. A tangible object is not required for it to be considered theft in anything other than very specific legal contexts. That's why we talk about musicians 'stealing' riffs or chord progressions. That's why artists accuse AI of 'stealing' their digital artwork. That's why comedians complain about other comedians 'stealing' their jokes.

"We" do not talk about musicians stealing chord progressions, at least I do not. There is (in western diatonic music) a quite limited number of chord progressions (that sound "good"/"acceptable" to ears used to this kind of music) Should new music be prohibited from being created once they've been used? Should painters not be allowed to use a certain combination of colors anymore because another artist already used t…

What an absolutely pedantic nitpick. Substitute 'riff' for chord progression then

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Post by reaperman »

cornholio wrote: post #96
jpk wrote: post #55

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I'm reminded of how trademarks work: If you don't bother to defend them, then you lose them. Maybe copyright should be the same way: If you're not distributing copies any longer, you lose the copyright protection.

It all boils down to excessive copyright durations. For something like software, even 10 years is excessive. The copyright terms are set by lobbyist and corporations in a political process where the public interest has no representation.

StarCraft 2 is still competitive 14 years later. I’m not sure I’d personally have an issue with it becoming public domain but the game is still well-stewarded today.

Even Brood War is still satisfactorily supported 26 years after its release. Though I think that’s definitely long enough to consider the option of public domain.

Re: 25 years of video clips gone as Paramount axes Comedy Central wesbite

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Post by TeMPOraL »

mattmaroon wrote: post #30
tombert wrote: post #17

How much could it possibly have been costing them to leave old clips up? I suspect the really old stuff was pretty low traffic, file storage is ridiculously cheap, how much money could this realistically save them? I'm sure it's not "zero" but I think I'm missing something...is it copyright savings or something?

You’re missing that they want you to subscribe to Paramount Plus, so they’re going to have all of their content there, where you pay them. They mention it in the press release. Their company IS paramount plus now. It’s all going there.

Oh boy, that's suicide. Instead of cutting their losses, they're doubling down on failure. I can't see this ending well for the rest of their IP.

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Post by [deleted] »

morsch wrote: post #93
kube-system wrote: post #85

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But copyright isn't just for publicly distributed mass media made by corporations -- it is for all works made by anyone. Copyright also protects work that people wish to keep private, or work that people want to share at some times, with some people, but not all people. (Also depending on how that idea might be implemented, it could cause some strange situations for copyleft software)

So limit the changes to works the copyright owner intentionally distributed to more than $threshold people. Have it only apply to situations where the number is tracked already, e.g. due to commercial obligations. Or something. This does not seem like an insurmountable problem.

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Re: 25 years of video clips gone as Paramount axes Comedy Central wesbite

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Post by wiseowise »

Daz1 wrote: post #42
Krasnol wrote: post #16

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You don't have something anymore if a thief gets it. Nothing gets lost here. There is even more of it afterward. So please...spare us that sad tactic.

Sorry but this pointless semantic argument has been thoroughly debunked. A tangible object is not required for it to be considered theft in anything other than very specific legal contexts. That's why we talk about musicians 'stealing' riffs or chord progressions. That's why artists accuse AI of 'stealing' their digital artwork. That's why comedians complain about other comedians 'stealing' their jokes.

“Stealing” a joke is not the same as stealing a TV.

Re: 25 years of video clips gone as Paramount axes Comedy Central wesbite

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Post by smcin »

mattmaroon wrote: post #30
tombert wrote: post #17

How much could it possibly have been costing them to leave old clips up? I suspect the really old stuff was pretty low traffic, file storage is ridiculously cheap, how much money could this realistically save them? I'm sure it's not "zero" but I think I'm missing something...is it copyright savings or something?

You’re missing that they want you to subscribe to Paramount Plus, so they’re going to have all of their content there, where you pay them. They mention it in the press release. Their company IS paramount plus now. It’s all going there.

No, "all their content" is not available on Paramount Plus, much of it isn't [0], at least the good old stuff:

- for example, they only have two seasons of The Daily Show (S28, S29) https://www.paramountplus.com/shows/the-daily-show/ . Reportedly they don't have the Colbert Show at all(!)

- here's a list of 21 Paramount Plus shows that were disappeared 6/2023: https://www.tomsguide.com/news/21-paramount-plus-shows-just-...

- Quora: Why doesn’t Paramount Plus have all the seasons to all of their shows? https://www.quora.com/Why-doesn-t-Paramount-Plus-have-all-th...

[0]: "25+ Years of Daily Show Clips Gone as Paramount Axes Comedy Central Site" https://latenighter.com/news/paramount-axes-comedy-central-w...

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Post by nutrie »

jpk wrote: post #55
hannasm wrote: post #53

Free content removed by previously benevolent publisher. It's too bad they weren't able to make their free content into a profit stream. The sad part here is that they were / are a steward to something beloved by many but through copyright they take it as hostage to the grave. If they no longer find value in distributing it shouldn't they be obligated to waive their ownership? Maybe copyright itself needs some reform…

I'm reminded of how trademarks work: If you don't bother to defend them, then you lose them. Maybe copyright should be the same way: If you're not distributing copies any longer, you lose the copyright protection.

Let’s say I make a painting and put it in the drawer, never to be seen again. Do I lose the copyright then and someone is permitted to come to my home and take it away? That’s just one example of possible implications. My point being, trademark is directly tied to the dynamics of the free market, while copyright only indirectly. And copyright is not forever.

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Post by bezier-curve »

ryandrake wrote: post #86
acuozzo wrote: post #76

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A hard drive sitting on a shelf is a big question mark. Will it spin-up? Who knows?! So you deal with this by having a backup. Now you have 2x the cost. But, unfortunately, you could have two hard drives not spin up. You consider an additional backup, but at this point you're at 3x the cost, so you start to reconsider letting hard drives sit on shelves. Now you're in RAID country. RAID is not a backup, but by shiftin…

Brings up an interesting topic: if I wanted to preserve a movie for 100,000 or even 1,000,000 years, how would I do it? What physical media would last that long, and could actually be played back correctly and accurately by some archaeologist in the year 1,002,025?

The best we have are M-Discs, a type of durable BD-R disc that are supposed to last up to 1000 years.
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