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Re: 25 years of video clips gone as Paramount axes Comedy Central wesbite

#81

Lost media is a real thing, more and more so when the internet loses data we've stored. We think it is a premanent place and sure it might out live us, but nothing is permanent.

It's also not a bad thing to be honest. There's so much content on the internet that would be best deleted.

Re: 25 years of video clips gone as Paramount axes Comedy Central wesbite

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post #17

How much could it possibly have been costing them to leave old clips up? I suspect the really old stuff was pretty low traffic, file storage is ridiculously cheap, how much money could this realistically save them? I'm sure it's not "zero" but I think I'm missing something...is it copyright savings or something?

You’re missing that they want you to subscribe to Paramount Plus, so they’re going to have all of their content there, where you pay them. They mention it in the press release. Their company IS paramount plus now. It’s all going there.

"You’re missing that they want you to subscribe to Paramount Plus, so they’re going to have all of their content there"

Most of the comments here seem to have missed that, if true. I did not read the article, the headline implies otherwise, but that surely can be clickbait.

Re: 25 years of video clips gone as Paramount axes Comedy Central wesbite

#83
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From TFA: > The move would appear to be part of continued belt-tightening measures at Paramount, which is more than $14 billion in debt, led by losses at Paramount+ and its aging cable networks.

I knew it was bad, I didn't know it was $14 billion bad. Did they spend it all on their two terrible streaming apps?

The CBS Viacom merger was a cynical plan from the very beginning. It even drew shareholder lawsuits which they ultimately had to settle. The writing was on the wall as early as 2015, though, when the company started restructuring several core businesses in moves that I saw at the time as "thinly veiled cash grabs."

During a time when they could have been making deeper investments in these business and capturing large parts of a growing media market they completely ceded the space and any expertise they had in it all to pad their own paper value. Immediately after the merger they lost a lot of licensing revenue because they drastically overestimated the value of the corporate assets they cherry picked for themselves.

Re: 25 years of video clips gone as Paramount axes Comedy Central wesbite

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post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm reminded of how trademarks work: If you don't bother to defend them, then you lose them. Maybe copyright should be the same way: If you're not distributing copies any longer, you lose the copyright protection.

I'm pretty open to doing something like this broadly, but I think this is especially important for software. Things like video games are much harder to archive than text. Keeping them running 70 years after the death of the author is already a herculean task. Doing that, when no copies are being distributed could make that entirely impossible. The current copyright system is going to rob the public domain of many of…

Why can't the videos be downloaded and uploaded to the Internet Archive? There's a lot of copyrighted videos there already.

Re: 25 years of video clips gone as Paramount axes Comedy Central wesbite

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post #55
post #53

Free content removed by previously benevolent publisher. It's too bad they weren't able to make their free content into a profit stream. The sad part here is that they were / are a steward to something beloved by many but through copyright they take it as hostage to the grave. If they no longer find value in distributing it shouldn't they be obligated to waive their ownership? Maybe copyright itself needs some reform…

I'm reminded of how trademarks work: If you don't bother to defend them, then you lose them. Maybe copyright should be the same way: If you're not distributing copies any longer, you lose the copyright protection.

But copyright isn't just for publicly distributed mass media made by corporations -- it is for all works made by anyone.

Copyright also protects work that people wish to keep private, or work that people want to share at some times, with some people, but not all people.

(Also depending on how that idea might be implemented, it could cause some strange situations for copyleft software)

Re: 25 years of video clips gone as Paramount axes Comedy Central wesbite

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post #76

This is why you download the things you love. Hard drives are cheap.

A hard drive sitting on a shelf is a big question mark. Will it spin-up? Who knows?! So you deal with this by having a backup. Now you have 2x the cost. But, unfortunately, you could have two hard drives not spin up. You consider an additional backup, but at this point you're at 3x the cost, so you start to reconsider letting hard drives sit on shelves. Now you're in RAID country. RAID is not a backup, but by shiftin…

Brings up an interesting topic: if I wanted to preserve a movie for 100,000 or even 1,000,000 years, how would I do it? What physical media would last that long, and could actually be played back correctly and accurately by some archaeologist in the year 1,002,025?

Re: 25 years of video clips gone as Paramount axes Comedy Central wesbite

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post #76

This is why you download the things you love. Hard drives are cheap.

A hard drive sitting on a shelf is a big question mark. Will it spin-up? Who knows?! So you deal with this by having a backup. Now you have 2x the cost. But, unfortunately, you could have two hard drives not spin up. You consider an additional backup, but at this point you're at 3x the cost, so you start to reconsider letting hard drives sit on shelves. Now you're in RAID country. RAID is not a backup, but by shiftin…

> hard drives are only cheap if you don't care availability, integrity, and longevity.

or your free time - but what is not worth even ones free time can't be worth much to one at all so...

Re: 25 years of video clips gone as Paramount axes Comedy Central wesbite

#88
post #17

How much could it possibly have been costing them to leave old clips up? I suspect the really old stuff was pretty low traffic, file storage is ridiculously cheap, how much money could this realistically save them? I'm sure it's not "zero" but I think I'm missing something...is it copyright savings or something?

You’re missing that they want you to subscribe to Paramount Plus, so they’re going to have all of their content there, where you pay them. They mention it in the press release. Their company IS paramount plus now. It’s all going there.

Not according to the article: "Unfortunately for those in search of older episodes of The Daily Show and The Colbert Report, neither can be found on Paramount+."

It's a real shame too because I might actually be tempted to at least burn a free trial of that service if they had The Colbert Report

Re: 25 years of video clips gone as Paramount axes Comedy Central wesbite

#90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pretty open to doing something like this broadly, but I think this is especially important for software. Things like video games are much harder to archive than text. Keeping them running 70 years after the death of the author is already a herculean task. Doing that, when no copies are being distributed could make that entirely impossible. The current copyright system is going to rob the public domain of many of…

Why can't the videos be downloaded and uploaded to the Internet Archive? There's a lot of copyrighted videos there already.

While this is a great idea, it's generally illegal for IA to share that content. And it's looking increasingly unlikely IA will be in existence 90 years from now, so it's unclear there'd be a point in them simply archiving it. If copyright were 14 years, if give IA a lot more of a chance of still being around then.

And apparently the videos are no longer available to download, so it's not an option, anyway.

Barring some change of heart by the copyright holder, these episodes are gone forever.

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