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Re: 25 years of video clips gone as Paramount axes Comedy Central wesbite

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Post by ncallaway »

prvc wrote: post #66
hannasm wrote: post #53

Free content removed by previously benevolent publisher. It's too bad they weren't able to make their free content into a profit stream. The sad part here is that they were / are a steward to something beloved by many but through copyright they take it as hostage to the grave. If they no longer find value in distributing it shouldn't they be obligated to waive their ownership? Maybe copyright itself needs some reform…

>Free content removed by previously benevolent publisher. I don't know about that. Regarding "free", it was always under copyright and distributed restrictively (DRM, ads, and geo-blocking). And no comment necessary for "benevolent".

Free as in beer, not free as in speech

Re: 25 years of video clips gone as Paramount axes Comedy Central wesbite

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Post by Anotheroneagain »

kortilla wrote: post #59
Daz1 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry but this pointless semantic argument has been thoroughly debunked. A tangible object is not required for it to be considered theft in anything other than very specific legal contexts. That's why we talk about musicians 'stealing' riffs or chord progressions. That's why artists accuse AI of 'stealing' their digital artwork. That's why comedians complain about other comedians 'stealing' their jokes.

It hasn’t been debunked. It’s still not theft despite artists using the “you stole my idea” colloquialism. It’s non-rivalrous and a massive portion of the world does not see it as bad at all to copy ideas (see China), let alone anything on par with property theft.

It basically destroyed western industry, as designing anything is a lottery with very poor odds.

Re: 25 years of video clips gone as Paramount axes Comedy Central wesbite

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Post by keeglin »

The Daily Show, during all those classic Jon Stewart years.

And sure enough, it's gone.

My first try, the classic interview between Jon and Joe Biden in 2015, where Biden admits he unwittingly politically used a story about a family coal miner that didn't exist. Interviews with Donald Rumsfeld, Condoleezza Rice. Their 2000 and 2004 coverage of the RNC and DNC conventions, all gone.

https://www.cc.com/video/j6f55l/the-daily-show-with-jon-stew... https://www.cc.com/video/kqe9tb/the-daily-show-with-jon-stew...

Yeah, I think I have a feeling about that, but I think really this is just a loss of some of our common story.

Re: 25 years of video clips gone as Paramount axes Comedy Central wesbite

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Post by swarnie »

ajmurmann wrote: post #28

Could they just have uploaded these to YouTube and monetized there through ads? Might not go with their brand, but better than deleting!

Youtube Ad revenue isn't what it used to be.... Its why so many creators do "baked-in" ads, patron, merch and memberships.

A channel i follow getting <500k views a week calls ad revenue a rounding error in the grand scheme of things now.

Re: 25 years of video clips gone as Paramount axes Comedy Central wesbite

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Post by acuozzo »

ThrowawayTestr wrote: post #2

This is why you download the things you love. Hard drives are cheap.

A hard drive sitting on a shelf is a big question mark. Will it spin-up? Who knows?!

So you deal with this by having a backup. Now you have 2x the cost.

But, unfortunately, you could have two hard drives not spin up. You consider an additional backup, but at this point you're at 3x the cost, so you start to reconsider letting hard drives sit on shelves.

Now you're in RAID country. RAID is not a backup, but by shifting your focus to availability you now have an approach to dealing with the "will it spin-up?" issue by proactively dealing with the problem via monitoring and rebuilds when necessary. You keep several replacement HDDs on hand for this inevitability.

Now, since you know RAID is not a backup, you put a backup system in place. This is additional cost; even more if you go 3-2-1.

So now you've got hard drives, storage arrays, HBAs, backups, and the power all of this consumes. We're starting to get out of cheap territory.

I suppose what I'm trying to say is: If you have a lot of data, hard drives are only cheap if you don't care availability, integrity, and longevity.

Re: 25 years of video clips gone as Paramount axes Comedy Central wesbite

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Post by ncallaway »

jpk wrote: post #55
hannasm wrote: post #53

Free content removed by previously benevolent publisher. It's too bad they weren't able to make their free content into a profit stream. The sad part here is that they were / are a steward to something beloved by many but through copyright they take it as hostage to the grave. If they no longer find value in distributing it shouldn't they be obligated to waive their ownership? Maybe copyright itself needs some reform…

I'm reminded of how trademarks work: If you don't bother to defend them, then you lose them. Maybe copyright should be the same way: If you're not distributing copies any longer, you lose the copyright protection.

I'm pretty open to doing something like this broadly, but I think this is especially important for software.

Things like video games are much harder to archive than text. Keeping them running 70 years after the death of the author is already a herculean task. Doing that, when no copies are being distributed could make that entirely impossible.

The current copyright system is going to rob the public domain of many of the cultural treasures that we are entitled to.

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Post by sofixa »

Sparkyte wrote: post #40

Lost media is a real thing, more and more so when the internet loses data we've stored. We think it is a premanent place and sure it might out live us, but nothing is permanent.

This isn't new. Lots of old (pre-Internet) media was lost forever because storage was expensive and it was considered not worth it. As an example, there are a bunch of Doctor Who episodes which are lost forever because the BBC back then didn't consider it worthwhile to keep them and overwrote the tapes.

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Post by maxglute »

ralusek wrote: post #33
redundantly wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you also think Adblock is piracy?

Obviously...You use a service, which costs money to run/build/produce, and the way that service is paid for is by advertisement. Your decision that the advertisement is annoying or intrusive isn't what makes your circumvention of it piracy or not, it is your violation of the terms according to which you're being given access to the content. I find it interesting that I have yet to meet a single person advocating for…

Let me tell you the story of how youtube terminated my youtube premium account for community violations, despite the account only being used to view videos, no uploads, no comment, no community interactions of any kind. How a banned account removes access to subscription page so I literally could not unsubscribe to premium, and went through months of fruitless appeal process that was met with automated denial until I was forced to cancel my credit card after being charged 100+ because you're only allowed appeal every 90 days and I didn't want to lose a 10+ year old account. Or how I had paid Google One sub, which was suppose to offer me in person service, only for them to say they have no interaction with the Youtube team. Then I had to do a Take Out to back up all my data on the off chance that Google would ax all my other services for cancelling card. No one should be paying for a service where they can't talk to a real person to get problems resolved. Google still owns me 10 months of red sub.

Re: 25 years of video clips gone as Paramount axes Comedy Central wesbite

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Post by SI_Rob »

hannasm wrote: post #53

Free content removed by previously benevolent publisher. It's too bad they weren't able to make their free content into a profit stream. The sad part here is that they were / are a steward to something beloved by many but through copyright they take it as hostage to the grave. If they no longer find value in distributing it shouldn't they be obligated to waive their ownership? Maybe copyright itself needs some reform…

perhaps they want to get their material out of the training set feed trough of all the Sora-style models consuming anything and everything not nailed down with an as-yet non-existant source watermarking scheme that can pass through the most tormented AI digestive tract.
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