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Re: 25 years of video clips gone as Paramount axes Comedy Central wesbite

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Post by oefrha »

aniforprez wrote: post #58
oefrha wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do realize YouTube is one of their main threats, and their main advantage over YouTube is higher quality? Giving treasure trove of quality content to YouTube in exchange for peanuts while shuttering their own, that would be a double whammy.

As opposed to making zero money, having your content be pirated and not having an official archive? Putting it on YouTube with ads would have without a doubt been the better option here

Yeah, as history has shown, fire sale of assets to competitor eating your lunch has been without a doubt a sound business strategy. /s

In all seriousness, giving existing and potential customers more reasons to spend their time on YouTube is not good for their business.

Re: 25 years of video clips gone as Paramount axes Comedy Central wesbite

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Post by akira2501 »

oefrha wrote: post #47
ajmurmann wrote: post #28

Could they just have uploaded these to YouTube and monetized there through ads? Might not go with their brand, but better than deleting!

You do realize YouTube is one of their main threats, and their main advantage over YouTube is higher quality? Giving treasure trove of quality content to YouTube in exchange for peanuts while shuttering their own, that would be a double whammy.

It used to be that we had production and distribution strictly separated. Several administrations have been particularly cozy with the media industry, for obvious reasons, and have basically given away the space to entrenched industry players and then removed most of the rules.

The idea that youtube should even be a threat to their content highlights one of the problems with this arrangement.

Re: 25 years of video clips gone as Paramount axes Comedy Central wesbite

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Post by ryandrake »

jpk wrote: post #55
hannasm wrote: post #53

Free content removed by previously benevolent publisher. It's too bad they weren't able to make their free content into a profit stream. The sad part here is that they were / are a steward to something beloved by many but through copyright they take it as hostage to the grave. If they no longer find value in distributing it shouldn't they be obligated to waive their ownership? Maybe copyright itself needs some reform…

I'm reminded of how trademarks work: If you don't bother to defend them, then you lose them. Maybe copyright should be the same way: If you're not distributing copies any longer, you lose the copyright protection.

The copyright cartel would fight that with their lives. They would rather destroy content forever than let it out for free, even if neither option costs them a cent.

“The people come with nets to fish for potatoes in the river, and the guards hold them back; they come in rattling cars to get the dumped oranges, but the kerosene is sprayed. And they stand still and watch the potatoes float by, listen to the screaming pigs being killed in a ditch and covered with quicklime, watch the mountains of oranges slop down to a putrefying ooze; and in the eyes of the people there is failure; and in the eyes of the hungry there is a growing wrath. In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage.“

Re: 25 years of video clips gone as Paramount axes Comedy Central wesbite

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Post by cess11 »

ralusek wrote: post #33
redundantly wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you also think Adblock is piracy?

Obviously...You use a service, which costs money to run/build/produce, and the way that service is paid for is by advertisement. Your decision that the advertisement is annoying or intrusive isn't what makes your circumvention of it piracy or not, it is your violation of the terms according to which you're being given access to the content. I find it interesting that I have yet to meet a single person advocating for…

If I think some material is worth money I can seek out the 'creators' and pay them directly.

Alphabet could stop being a bunch of criminal enterprises, begin respecting data protection rights for example, and then they'd have a case in claiming that paying them for something might be reasonable.

Re: 25 years of video clips gone as Paramount axes Comedy Central wesbite

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Post by akira2501 »

whatever1 wrote: post #27

So wait if I have a copy of a deleted forever by Paramount episode am I a thief or savior? My morals are confused

In media one of the things we have to "deal with" is Sound Exchange. When we play a song, we have to keep track of that, and how many people heard it, then settle up at the end of every month with SX.

There should be an open royalty payments system for everything and available to citizens. So that I can credibly say, "look, I did pirate this entire TV series, but I want to pay the obligatory contract rate, and I want that money to go to the creators."

Re: 25 years of video clips gone as Paramount axes Comedy Central wesbite

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Post by prvc »

hannasm wrote: post #53

Free content removed by previously benevolent publisher. It's too bad they weren't able to make their free content into a profit stream. The sad part here is that they were / are a steward to something beloved by many but through copyright they take it as hostage to the grave. If they no longer find value in distributing it shouldn't they be obligated to waive their ownership? Maybe copyright itself needs some reform…

>Free content removed by previously benevolent publisher.

I don't know about that. Regarding "free", it was always under copyright and distributed restrictively (DRM, ads, and geo-blocking). And no comment necessary for "benevolent".

Re: 25 years of video clips gone as Paramount axes Comedy Central wesbite

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Post by titzer »

whatever1 wrote: post #27

So wait if I have a copy of a deleted forever by Paramount episode am I a thief or savior? My morals are confused

Oh, they didn't delete it, they just jammed it all through some machine learning model that "compressed" it and will hallucinate it back for you on demand. What could be better than a work of art that automatically updates itself to the current sensibilities of the time?

/s

Re: 25 years of video clips gone as Paramount axes Comedy Central wesbite

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Post by ndriscoll »

Daz1 wrote: post #43
redundantly wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you also think Adblock is piracy?

It's not 'piracy', but it is theft of a different nature in that you're indirectly reducing the revenue that would have been received by the content creator.

Blocking crypto miners reduces revenue too. It's all malware (in fact crypto miners are obviously less malicious) and blocking it shouldn't be given a second thought.

Re: 25 years of video clips gone as Paramount axes Comedy Central wesbite

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Post by hnra »

ralusek wrote: post #33
redundantly wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you also think Adblock is piracy?

Obviously...You use a service, which costs money to run/build/produce, and the way that service is paid for is by advertisement. Your decision that the advertisement is annoying or intrusive isn't what makes your circumvention of it piracy or not, it is your violation of the terms according to which you're being given access to the content. I find it interesting that I have yet to meet a single person advocating for…

There used to be a YouTube subscription called Premium Lite which was just ad-free YouTube. I happily paid for that until they shut it down and tried to force the much bigger subscription on me (nothing else in premium is relevant to me).

Now I use smarttube which is not only ad-free but also has tons of nice features which YouTube will never deliver. However, should premium lite comeback I would pay for it but keep using smarttube.

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