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Re: Should people who quit get unemployment benefits, too?

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soco wrote: post #90
boston_clone wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People cannot live on $7.25 an hour in the US, and the government has a responsibility to promote the general welfare. Inflation skyrocketed in the past 5 years; minimum wage has not changed for 15 years. So, no correlation there. The corporate tax rate should be increased, as well as taxes on high-earners, as well as the minimum wage. Capital gains taxes for individuals with 1M+ of assets may be considered, but is u…

It's always interesting to watch how so many people oppose increasing the minimum wage (which stagnates since decades) while at the same time opposing increasing the taxation of corporations and billionaires (which goes down since decades). It's like, the society was created for corporations, not for regular people... and no, billionaires are in reality not taxed like regular people so let's not even try this theoret…

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Re: Should people who quit get unemployment benefits, too?

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Post by themaninthedark »

silverquiet wrote: post #129
themaninthedark wrote: post #125

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Federal minimum wage : $7.25 per hour 40h work week: $290 per week 52 weeks per year: $15,080.00 Federal Poverty level for 2024(family of 1): $15,060 https://www.healthcare.gov/glossary/federal-poverty-level-fp... McDonalds average pay(Crew Member): $13.03 per hour https://www.indeed.com/cmp/McDonald's/salaries/Crew-Member 40 hour work week: $521.2 per week 52 weeks per year: $27.102.40 Average McDonalds pay for crew…

Spotted the person who's never been a retail/fast food wage slave. You don't get 40 hours. At best you'll get 34 or whatever makes it so you aren't classified as full time. And that's a good week. If corporate is trying to save hours, you might get 8 or 10 that week. You'll need a second job, obviously, but given that there's no set schedule, you'll spend even more time trying to coordinate the two.

I have, worked as a cashier for a couple years. I know they never let you get to 40 hours, if you do then they have to start offering benefits.

However, that wasn't part of the exercise. Grandparent stated that: > McDonald's for 40 hours puts you well above poverty line

I decided to run the numbers rather than go with gut feeling of no way. Figured I would share since I did the work.

Grandparent was only haft right since they also state you would need a crazy amount of dependents to put you at Federal Poverty Level. If you had 2 dependents, you are above but living hand to mouth and one accident away from povert.

Re: Should people who quit get unemployment benefits, too?

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Post by jojobas »

Sayrus wrote: post #59
jojobas wrote: post #40

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In theory yes, in a global economy you're just dooming further sectors of the economy to painful death in competition with developing countries.

I read that as "We should allow paying developing country salaries in a developed country to allow competition".

-Free trade

-Decent wages

-Everyone has a job

Choose any two.

Re: Should people who quit get unemployment benefits, too?

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Post by maxerickson »

simonsarris wrote: post #88
0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #15

As with everything in America, I assume it is a non-starter to make more universal benefits. Sure it would be fine if I got unemployment for quitting, but not those people . They would just squander the opportunity! Best we all suffer rather than someone I do not like getting the same benefit.

> As with everything in America Who do you think the 7.5 million on SSI are, if not those people ? We already have Basic Income scheme for people we deem unfit for doing any kind of work. (Note this is different from the 7.3 million on SSDI, though people sometimes confuse the two, or simply don't know SSI exists)

Is it your argument that it's good that we make it complicated and spend resources making decisions?

Because typically the argument for a universal benefit is that it's simpler and reduces administrative overhead.

Re: Should people who quit get unemployment benefits, too?

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Post by simonsarris »

maxerickson wrote: post #135
simonsarris wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As with everything in America Who do you think the 7.5 million on SSI are, if not those people ? We already have Basic Income scheme for people we deem unfit for doing any kind of work. (Note this is different from the 7.3 million on SSDI, though people sometimes confuse the two, or simply don't know SSI exists)

Is it your argument that it's good that we make it complicated and spend resources making decisions? Because typically the argument for a universal benefit is that it's simpler and reduces administrative overhead.

No, its that "As with everything in America" is either extremely uninformed or a lie. The US spends an extraordinary amount on poverty reduction schemes of all kinds. It is not an outlier.

Re: Should people who quit get unemployment benefits, too?

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Post by silverquiet »

themaninthedark wrote: post #132
silverquiet wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spotted the person who's never been a retail/fast food wage slave. You don't get 40 hours. At best you'll get 34 or whatever makes it so you aren't classified as full time. And that's a good week. If corporate is trying to save hours, you might get 8 or 10 that week. You'll need a second job, obviously, but given that there's no set schedule, you'll spend even more time trying to coordinate the two.

I have, worked as a cashier for a couple years. I know they never let you get to 40 hours, if you do then they have to start offering benefits. However, that wasn't part of the exercise. Grandparent stated that: > McDonald's for 40 hours puts you well above poverty line I decided to run the numbers rather than go with gut feeling of no way. Figured I would share since I did the work. Grandparent was only haft right s…

That’s a fair point about it merely mirroring the grandparent’s exercise, and looking back on it my post had an unnecessarily antagonistic start. But I do believe it’s worth telling people that crappy jobs are crappy for reasons besides pure hourly pay; they have other features that are both demeaning and austere.

Re: Should people who quit get unemployment benefits, too?

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Post by charlie0 »

reify wrote: post #69

Of course! Remember business thrives on there being a certain amount of unemployed people to create competition for jobs and keep wages low. If everyone was employed then employers would have to pay decent wages because we would all be employed elsewhere. Imagine being headhunted for a job at Mucky Dees for £25 per hour. Unemployed are called workshy and feckless here on Airstrip One. We have forced work clubs and th…

Working smart, not hard, does set you free though.

Re: Should people who quit get unemployment benefits, too?

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Post by paulmd »

silverquiet wrote: post #94
soco wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's always interesting to watch how so many people oppose increasing the minimum wage (which stagnates since decades) while at the same time opposing increasing the taxation of corporations and billionaires (which goes down since decades). It's like, the society was created for corporations, not for regular people... and no, billionaires are in reality not taxed like regular people so let's not even try this theoret…

It's called capitalism, not laborism. What's weird is you'd think that labor would vote a bit differently.

too many temporarily embarrassed millionaires in the US.

(or rather, not that people on the bottom think they’ll be on the top someday, but they’ve come to identify with the ruling class, and bought into the arguments that we can’t have nice things because of inflation or moral hazard or whatever else.)

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