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Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says

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Why should I care what a protectionist government agency thinks? As a customer, I am very satisfied with the deal Microsoft offered.

For now you are. Enshitification ramps up after the competition has been destroyed.

I was going to say...as long as you're happy with, say, the current state of Windows, you should have no problem with whatever user-hostile changes their cloud offerings make over time.

Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says

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How many of those entrepreneurs are explicitly agreed with by antitrust regulators of major jurisdictions...?

You are just assuming OP is telling the truth. Look at his product: https://taskulu.com/ it wasn't killed by Teams, but by Jira.

I think it's way more necessary to note Microsoft's aggressive use of market leader to stifle competition in previously unrelated industries, than to theoretically award anything to this founder in our court of opinion.

Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says

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I fully believe we lost more than we gained from the breakup of AT&T - local access prices went up significantly, and while long distance rates declined, it did so roughly linearly with the decreasing cost of bandwidth. In the end we pay about as much as we ever have in aggregate - but at a loss of all of the benefits the AT&T monopoly - subsidized general science research from the labs, a plethora of union jobs, and…

I fully believe we lost more than we gained from the breakup of AT&T - local access prices went up significantly Interesting. Out of curiosity, may I ask how old you are?

Early 40's - about the same age as the divestiture.

Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says

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I fully believe we lost more than we gained from the breakup of AT&T - local access prices went up significantly Interesting. Out of curiosity, may I ask how old you are?

Early 40's - about the same age as the divestiture.

I was a teenager at the time, and what I remember, above and beyond pricing alone, was just how firm a grip Ma Bell had on our entire civil communications infrastructure. The Carterfone decision was still a relatively-recent thing with radical implications -- you mean I can plug stuff besides phones into the wall socket?! -- and it was definitely time for things to open up further.

Intra-LATA calling between neighboring towns got a bit more expensive for a while, yes, but long distance almost immediately became much cheaper. It was like the move from film photography to digital -- suddenly everybody was taking photos freely, because the marginal cost was almost gone.

Post-breakup long distance calling became something people weren't inherently reluctant to use, and that was a big deal. Especially with the concurrent rise of BBSes. There's no way I'd ever agree that we were better off with the status quo.

Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says

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> I would replace government with people This is... The entire point of a government. Yes, they're flawed, but they're meant to exercise the will of the people, especially in terms of regulating entities that have outsized power vs. an individual citizen (corporations, wealthy magnates, etc).

Perhaps, but you're missing my point. Governments are out of touch with what people need and even if they're trying to help, they'll get things very wrong (for example, those annoying cookie popups we've all had forced upon us). People know what they want, and will vote with their wallets. As long as options are allowed to exist, you can trust a well informed public to gravitate towards the most optimal solution over…

> People know what they want, and will vote with their wallets.

Sure, but in this case there's stacked incentives against people being able to vote with their wallets in the first place with ecosystem lock-in. The companies are incentivized to prevent people from being able to easily switch to a competitor, which is exactly why most people don't, and by and large the general populace isn't going to be savvy enough to recognize that's what's happening.

Like you said, the way you combat that is having a "well informed" public, but who's going to be responsible for informing the government? That's the entire point of the US FTC, is representing the interests of US consumers and paying attention to related issues.

> Governments are out of touch with what people need

Yes, governments are going to be slow and conservative w.r.t. what current public opinion is, because organizing large groups and institutions is difficult.

Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says

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> The frontend/backend split of Pidgin/libpurple makes this tricky, and we still don't have voice and video in a Windows release Is that specifically for Teams, or is it a general limitation of libpurple?

It's an issue with libpurple and the user interfaces. It's something we'll ideally be tackling in the next few months in purple3/pidgin3 as we get closer and closer to an alpha release.

I wait with baited breath.

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Here’s the thing, though: Linux as a desktop is absolute trash and it doesn’t matter if you have been using it as a desktop operating system for 30 years, it’s still absolutely trash for anyone with an idea of what a desktop OS should be. It is trash in the exact same way that GIMP is trash compared to professional tools. The quality just isn’t there, and the quality will never be there so long as design decisions ar…

It isn’t trash, it just isn’t trying to provide a customer service like relationship for non-technical users. Why would any distro do that? It just seems like a headache, for no benefit.

It also isn’t trying to provide a cohesive API for the OS as a whole, or anything less than a complete nightmare for anyone who is used to things like standby working half the time.

The Linux desktop is a pile of userland crapware piled into a trench coat, pretending to be a real desktop operating system.

Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says

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Why don't they apply the laws universally and effectively make this kind of bundling illegal for mega corporations? For endusers, it feels like they are playing with different rules for Microsoft Apple Adobe and Google. Since EU waits until the damage is done and milks them, it barely helps the situation for consumers. For corps they just assume the penalty as cost of doing business.

I wonder if they’ll go after iMessage on iOS too.

It's weird how many people misunderstands the intent behind anti-trust laws. In a nutshell, it's about abusing a dominant position in one market (which is ok) to enter and conquer another market by undercutting competition by providing your product in the new market with the existing dominant product at basically no cost to consumer (there are a lot more nuances).

Having non-interoperable features (like charging ports or iMessage green bubbles) has nothing to do with it, and those are ok (at least for anti-trust laws).

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Yeah it does, not sure why are we talking about that though. It's a complete misrepresentation of the situation. Let's take Google services as an example. I'm no fan of Google but their integrated search/Maps/PoI/hotels/directions/flight tickets experience was perfect , my workflow depends on it a lot. Now I can't use it without a US VPN, the only thing I get without it are some useless web search results and a small…

So much frustration here :-/

Yeah, it's tiring.

Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says

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>>> need to be better than Spotify I think you meant to say not WORSE than Spotify. The product has gone to hell, they need to fire all the product managers. I don't know how you fuck up a music UI this badly but...

Hi. I use Spotify in a web browser (at the office), on Linux (at home), and Android (mobile). To me, the Spotify UI has barely changed in 3 years. You wrote: > The product has gone to hell Can you provide some specifics? To be clear, I am not defending Spotify. One big thing that is lacking: They need a plug-in system like modern web browsers. This will allow them to offload a lot of the UI innovation to tech savvy u…

Right

Open a random play list, start playing a track.

Close the client, try to get back to the track you paying right now... Pick a big list will it get you back to the track. There used to be a few ways to do this, now there is one (and it's ugly).

Is there a rhyme or reason to show or not show the tracks of an artist that I have liked/followed? Is that display consistent?

Why are we mixing liked artists and liked playlists now. Why is "like" some global list. Albums, songs, Artists are not the same thing. Globing these preferences together is like telling the waiter you like ice cream when he asks for your drink order, at breakfast on a Tuesday.

Why do I have to click into an album to find the publish date of a track? They have this whole right panel now with half assed track info and nothing useful.

The UI needs burned to the ground and an adult, who likes music needs to tell them what they need to show...

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