IMO, Teams is a logical extension of the Office tool suite and had every right to be bundled. I suspect there is a whole bevvy of bureaucrats in the EU whos sole job has been to bring anti trust legislation against Microsoft for the last 30 years - somehow funding itself, not preventing a Monopoly, and failing to create a more competitive marketplace.
Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says
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Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says
#502Earlier quoted context omitted.
The only thing I can think of when reading this is the "damn, you live like this?" meme. I can't imagine using OS that does this to you and not being angry all the time (I'm not tribalistic, Linux has its own set of infuriating problems, but at least it feels like I'm in control).
Many workplaces will restrict your choice of operating system and email client.
If those requirements make you uncomfortable daily:
"Damn, you live like this?"
Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says
#503IMO, Teams is a logical extension of the Office tool suite and had every right to be bundled. I suspect there is a whole bevvy of bureaucrats in the EU whos sole job has been to bring anti trust legislation against Microsoft for the last 30 years - somehow funding itself, not preventing a Monopoly, and failing to create a more competitive marketplace.
This was confusing to read. Are you pro-monopoly? That's the only way I can read this...
Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says
#504I already know how this will be solved: Microsoft will pay a (small) fine and file it under "the cost of doing business" while the damage is already done. Teams is one of the absolutely worst products ever programmed, it's hiliarious how bad it is. It only reached its market share because Microsoft gave it away "for free" with Office 365 or MS 365 or whatever it's called now.
Ive used Teams for years and its pretty darn good in my opinion. Sure it has its quirks and from time to time fails to work for the entire hemisphere of the planet - but I kinda like that feature!
Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says
#505Earlier quoted context omitted.
Feels a bit like your forgetting Skype for business and lync already existed. I kinda agree with your point but I also feel it’s unfair on Microsoft, they are giving their customers more services for the same price, and the customers are using the services… I’m not sure the customer really loses out if ms are saving them another subscription + integration cost.
There is no justification, this is just more thinly-veiled rent-seeking from the EU.
Rent-seeking since 1995!
Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says
#506This essentially killed my (EU-based) startup in the project management and collaborate space. Before MSFT bundled Teams with O365 we were rapidly growing and closing enterprise customers in the automotive, energy and education industries with high retention rates. Right around the time the Teams bundling started our retention dropped, churn went through the roof, growth slowed down, we failed to raise our next round…
I am amazed the EU is being more capitalistic and breaking up monopolies. WE should be doing that. This is how capitalism thrives. Break up large companies in different markets. Also break up Amazon and AWS already.
Your idea is flawed. If you split off AWS from Amazon, you have TWO monopolies. That's a useless move. What you need to do is split it down the middle: create Amazon 1 and Amazon 2 each with half the people, hardware, and 100% of the IP.
Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says
#507Mcdonalds breached antitrust by bundling fries and coke.
Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says
#508I already know how this will be solved: Microsoft will pay a (small) fine and file it under "the cost of doing business" while the damage is already done. Teams is one of the absolutely worst products ever programmed, it's hiliarious how bad it is. It only reached its market share because Microsoft gave it away "for free" with Office 365 or MS 365 or whatever it's called now.
I use Teams every day for work, I'm not sure why it's considered so bad? It seems user friendly and useful, to me. Non-tech worker (finance).
Have you used anything else?
Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says
#509This essentially killed my (EU-based) startup in the project management and collaborate space. Before MSFT bundled Teams with O365 we were rapidly growing and closing enterprise customers in the automotive, energy and education industries with high retention rates. Right around the time the Teams bundling started our retention dropped, churn went through the roof, growth slowed down, we failed to raise our next round…
Last time I checked, they also arbitrarily excluded Firefox, which works fine on other WebRTC platforms such as Google Hangouts or Zoom. Furthermore, I have always needed a Microsoft account to join a Teams meeting, as they want to make sure you get sucked into their ecosystem. Aside from that, resource consumption on Chromium is totally crazy. Zoom or Hangouts are fine, but Teams makes my old NUC overheat during sim…
I can share a link to guests just fine
Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says
#510IMO, Teams is a logical extension of the Office tool suite and had every right to be bundled. I suspect there is a whole bevvy of bureaucrats in the EU whos sole job has been to bring anti trust legislation against Microsoft for the last 30 years - somehow funding itself, not preventing a Monopoly, and failing to create a more competitive marketplace.
This was confusing to read. Are you pro-monopoly? That's the only way I can read this...
I’m pro features that make sense for digital workers and Teams is just a set of features that make sense.
My comment is more about how ineffective this type of rent seeking has been against Microsoft for the last 3 decades.