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Loneliness trajectories are associated with midlife conspiracist worldviews

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Re: Loneliness trajectories are associated with midlife conspiracist worldviews

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The question I ask with these studies is "what is a conspiracy?", because there is a big difference between people who think the world is flat and people who think there is something fishy about, say, the Jeff Epstein saga. In this case we seem to be talking about the conspiracy mentality questionnaire [0]. So they've found a correlation between loneliness and what seems to be a 5 question survey. To me, this says th…

Note: That's the final five questions in a 38 question survey with 33 primer questions about specific conspiracy theories. It wasn't just 5 questions.

Are you sure? The Conspiracy Theory Questionnaire is 38 questions but the CMQ is 5 questions. Today's HN link talked about the CMQ. And figure one lists 5 observed indicators which I took as a hint.

You can grep for "The 38 items administered in this study [dubbed the Conspir-acy Theory Questionnaire (CTQ) by Darwin et al., 2011] con-tained 33 items measuring the belief in specific conspiracy theoriesand five items assessing participants’ general tendency to believe inconspiracies or their conspiracy mentality. We refer to these latterfive items as the CMQ (see Appendix for complete item wording)." in https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3639408/pdf/fps... to see the context of what I'm going off.

Re: Loneliness trajectories are associated with midlife conspiracist worldviews

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Kind of a way of turning something obvious on its head and painting it as a negative. When you are interacting with people, there is pressure to conform to consensus reality, regardless of the merit of that reality. Anybody who goes against the grain, wether they are wrong, or correct and eventually vindicated, first has to face negative social pressure from their peers.

Anecdotally in my experience, autistic people are a lot more likely to "not care" about social consequences and also more often think about or believe conspiracy theories. It's also not a bad thing to have some people believing in conspiracies, especially when the media/government decides that any stories about them are crazy conspiracies and everyone believes them.

Re: Loneliness trajectories are associated with midlife conspiracist worldviews

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Essentially the only thing this study is saying, without the social psychologists themselves realizing it, is that people who stick to their views despite a majority of their peers disagreeing with those views tend to be ostracized from social groups. Sometimes those views are false conspiracy theories, sometimes they’re reasoned skepticism, sometimes they’re pointing out uncomfortable truths. I would be more interested in studying how people are convinced to ostracize peers when their beliefs about something unrelated to their survival or day-to-day life are opposed to their own.

Re: Loneliness trajectories are associated with midlife conspiracist worldviews

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post #16

The question I ask with these studies is "what is a conspiracy?", because there is a big difference between people who think the world is flat and people who think there is something fishy about, say, the Jeff Epstein saga. In this case we seem to be talking about the conspiracy mentality questionnaire [0]. So they've found a correlation between loneliness and what seems to be a 5 question survey. To me, this says th…

There isn't actually such a big difference between flat earthers and other conspiracy theories. The common theme is that it's the opposite of science or the scientific process.

Conspiracy theorists filter out anything that doesn't align with their theory and go to extremes to support their world views. E.g. flat earthers believe that all airline pilots are part of the conspiracy to hide the fact that the earth is flat. The scientific process, to contrast, would drive you to try and falsify your theory via experimentation, and the flat earth theory is so easily falsifiable.

If you look at vaccines, or climates, or 9/11, or those guys that believe nobody was killed in some massacre, they all use the same sort of logic (or shall we say non-logic). Despite overwhelming evidence they stick to their version of "reality", they never seek counter-evidence, they believe everyone but them is part of a ploy to hide the real reality from everyone. They don't trust experts or scientists.

It's not impossible to have conspiracies in the real world. But I'd say those are rare. The more people are involved the harder it is to keep a secret. There are also situations where the evidence isn't necessarily pointing overwhelmingly one way or another, and there is science that later gets refined or even overturned as more data/knowledge is acquired. Science isn't necessarily absolute truth, it's just the model that best explains the observable phenomena.

Re: Loneliness trajectories are associated with midlife conspiracist worldviews

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Kind of a way of turning something obvious on its head and painting it as a negative. When you are interacting with people, there is pressure to conform to consensus reality, regardless of the merit of that reality. Anybody who goes against the grain, wether they are wrong, or correct and eventually vindicated, first has to face negative social pressure from their peers.

That is one of the possibilities that are highlighted in the abstract, Amoung other theories, including that lonely individuals seek friendship within conspiracy communities. Humans are very good at post-hoc rationalisation.

Re: Loneliness trajectories are associated with midlife conspiracist worldviews

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Loneliness and social media are are potent mix of self-reinforcing behavior.

Loneliness creates the conditions for greater social media use because social media is a pseudo-satisfier for real human connections.

Meanwhile, short form social media like twitter & tiktok mimics a schizophrenia-like experience of hearing many unrelated voices in quick succession. Social media use is also habitual and addictive, meaning you're not entirely in control as you keep scrolling for hours on end.

It's not a stretch to imagine that one consequence of this situation is to start seeing connections where there are none, which at the extremes is the root of conspiracy thinking. Making connections is also a form of regaining control, and when played out on social media is a way to feel like you're connected with others and part of something of consequence. Of course outside of devices, this conspiratorial slide further isolates you from society, and so the self-reinforcing spiral continues.

Re: Loneliness trajectories are associated with midlife conspiracist worldviews

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the insecurity of being alone forces people to find something that makes them feel like they are not “sheep” and thus provide some modicum of validation for their existence. When you’re alone, you can also be as wild and wacky as you want because there’s no one to push back against it.

> the insecurity of being alone forces people to find something that makes them feel like they are not “sheep” It’s one deeper. It’s the anxiety of confronting the fact that nobody is in charge, there isn’t a secret cabal pulling the strings, it’s a bunch of competing, chaotic forces that you’re caught—somewhat meaninglessly—in the middle of. Replacing that with a puppeteer, even a horrible one, is relieving. (The fa…

Like the IDF? (Someone said that's who this account belongs to.)

Also, did anyone ever tell you that you write like https://youtu.be/0s4sIY3bYEE sounds?

Re: Loneliness trajectories are associated with midlife conspiracist worldviews

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post #30

Dale Gribble’s close friends Hank, Bill, and Boomhauer exist as a counterpoint to this argument.

They don't actually exist, they're cartoons. They can't provide a counterpoint to arguments about the real world.

Bonus points if they don't ACTUALLY exist in the cartoon.

Re: Loneliness trajectories are associated with midlife conspiracist worldviews

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> Conspiracy theories undermined global efforts to contain the COVID-19 virus during the pandemic What? Which ones? Undermined how? > and were used in the lead-up to the January 6, 2021, raid on the Capitol. I thought a major political party was involved. Not 'conspiracy theorists'. > They lie at the core of political and social polarization Really? Conspiracy theorists lie at the core of political and social polariz…

Yes. The whole point of lumping flat earthers together with people who question powerful people making decisions behind closed doors is so that people stop questioning the powerful people.
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