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Re: Car dealerships revert to pens and paper after cyberattacks on software provider

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Post by DANmode » Tue, Jun 25, 2024, 11:42 PM UTC

dllthomas wrote: post #336

DANmode wrote: post #291

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Debate whatever you want, we do not have a direct democracy, which is what most people hear when they hear "Democracy". It's Representative Democracy. Supposedly.

It's a federated representative democracy with some issues, some of the components of which have some level of direct democracy. It is also a republic. It could be a republic even if it was a pure direct democracy somehow without "issues" - in fact I struggle to see how a direct democracy without issues could be something other than a republic.

> some of the components of which have some level of direct democracy.

What, HOAs?

Re: Car dealerships revert to pens and paper after cyberattacks on software provider

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Post by n4r9 » Wed, Jun 26, 2024, 8:24 AM UTC

rootusrootus wrote: post #346

n4r9 wrote: post #13

This is what happens when a single player (CDK Global) has massive market share (90% when measured by number of vehicles sold [0] --- EDIT: this is actually the combined market share of CDK + Reynolds, who have a non-compete agreement ---). The entire industry becomes fragile to product issues and/or malicious attacks. Anti-trust is important. [0] https://casetext.com/case/loop-llc-v-cdk-global-llc-in-re-de...

IIRC our market share is closer to 70%. It also includes businesses that people don't usually think of but are broadly similar to car dealerships in business model and therefore can be served with nearly identical software. Heavy equipment, etc. R&R doesn't have as wide a product offering as we do, and the upstart DMS providers trying to disrupt the market are even narrower than that. For all its problems, CDK is dom…

I can't argue against market dominance purely based on product. However it looks to me like the dominance is exacerbated by a raft of anti-competitive practises such as colluding with other big players and placing artificial restrictions on dealer and third-party data.

Re: Car dealerships revert to pens and paper after cyberattacks on software provider

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Post by dragonwriter » Wed, Jun 26, 2024, 1:45 PM UTC

DANmode wrote: post #361

dllthomas wrote: post #336

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a federated representative democracy with some issues, some of the components of which have some level of direct democracy. It is also a republic. It could be a republic even if it was a pure direct democracy somehow without "issues" - in fact I struggle to see how a direct democracy without issues could be something other than a republic.

> some of the components of which have some level of direct democracy. What, HOAs?

State level initiative and referenda processes.