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Julian Assange has reached a plea deal with the U.S., allowing him to go free
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Re: Julian Assange has reached a plea deal with the U.S., allowing him to go free
#842He should not have spent all of this time being persecuted by the US government, but he should have been ostracized by the public long ago. I believe that if not for the prior, the latter would have occurred much more readily. > A reporter worried that Assange would risk killing Afghans who had co-operated with American forces if he put US secrets online without taking the basic precaution of removing their names. "W…
Assange denies having said that, according to the article linked from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40786073 . Is there proof that he did, such as a recording? "Willing to hand death lists to psychopaths" is the language of a hit piece so your link seems a little biased.
Since this was written in the UK, couldn't he use their libel laws to sue if he hadn't said it?
The article states that there were multiple journalists who could be called as witnesses, and could testify as to what happened, one way or the other.
Re: Julian Assange has reached a plea deal with the U.S., allowing him to go free
#843This is almost bringing me to tears today. I am happy he's finally going to be free but I am still in deep sadness because this is not the world we are supposed to living in. With all of our knowledge and technology we are still doing horrible things as a civilization and we have lost control of our leadership. This scares me a lot because it is a growing problem and every day it seems like humanity is losing more an…
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> How can you be pure toward him when he is fine getting informants and others killed, and asking for and telling how to go about getting classified info. Are the facts in dispute?
No they are not in dispute, they are simply not facts.
From [1]:
The head of the IRTF, Brigadier General Robert Carr, testified under questioning at Chelsea Manning's sentencing hearing that the task force had found no examples of anyone who had lost their life due to WikiLeaks' publication of the documents.
Edit: fixed link.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Assange#:~:text=The%20h....
Re: Julian Assange has reached a plea deal with the U.S., allowing him to go free
#844I have trouble being happy for a man that was bought off to facilitate Russian intervention in my country’s government.
Re: Julian Assange has reached a plea deal with the U.S., allowing him to go free
#845Earlier quoted context omitted.
Assange denies having said that, according to the article linked from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40786073 . Is there proof that he did, such as a recording? "Willing to hand death lists to psychopaths" is the language of a hit piece so your link seems a little biased.
Since this was written in the UK, couldn't he use their libel laws to sue if he hadn't said it? The article states that there were multiple journalists who could be called as witnesses, and could testify as to what happened, one way or the other.
"he didn't sue me for libel" is not much of an argument. Most false reports don't end up in a libel suit even in the UK.
I'm not saying it's false, I don't know, but the reporting on this has been hotly contested and there are charges of politicization all around.
Re: Julian Assange has reached a plea deal with the U.S., allowing him to go free
#846Earlier quoted context omitted.
What part of the US government or its decision-makers spent 10 years stewing in prison for bribing Afghans to expose themselves to that same risk of death, or straight up killing many more Afghans for no other reason that they happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time? Does the US government have some special natural right to toy with the lives of Afghans that Assange does not have? Unless you believe it to…
> Does the US government have some special natural right to toy with the lives of Afghans that Assange does not have? Your argument appears to boil down to the idea that two wrongs make a right.
Obviously there is more nuance than that. If police kill an active school shooter, is your response “Tsk, tsk, two wrongs don’t make a right”?
Re: Julian Assange has reached a plea deal with the U.S., allowing him to go free
#847Earlier quoted context omitted.
The sources are out of context quotes coming from hear say sources; those sources being clearly politically motivated think tanks.
The source was Declan Walsh, who was a journalist for the Guardian and now the NYT.
So definitely not politically motivated!
Re: Julian Assange has reached a plea deal with the U.S., allowing him to go free
#848Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, and politics is not about supporting only one side either. If transparency makes for more informed decisions, who’s to judge the better outcome? Meritocracies die in darkness and evidence of corruption scares lots of voters away. Especially the unaffiliated/independent ones that decide elections.
Weird that he had the hacked emails of two political parties in the US and only released one of them, then
This has been heavily disputed already... it's not clear that wikileaks even had access to the RNC data.
Re: Julian Assange has reached a plea deal with the U.S., allowing him to go free
#849Can someone who has an accurate source post when Wikileaks cryptographic canary expired? I'm unable to find a source and it's important to know they shouldn't be trusted. Here's when their key expired in 2007: https://wikileaks.org/wiki/WikiLeaks_talk:PGP_Keys From another below: vikingerik A canary goes something like "This website has not received or acted on any government orders to disclose or modify or remove ma…
I remember when canaries were useful as a deterrent: even with an apathetic public on balance the tech community was pretty vigilant. These days Snowden is screaming into the void even as concerns HN readers, never mind that he was completely right at great personal cost the first time. I still trust Moxie, and Carmack/Palmer/etc. seem to be taking a stand, there are others, but it’s getting thin.
Palmer... Lucky? A stand? As in starting a company to sell AI and Robots to the DoD? Huh?
Re: Julian Assange has reached a plea deal with the U.S., allowing him to go free
#850Is anyone else here surprised that the reaction to him being free is so overwhelmingly positive? Assange certainly did great work to reveal government corruption and abuses of power. At the same time, some state secrets are best kept secret for national interests and Assange seemed to show a lack of regard for protecting this type of information. It often seemed that he was working in his own self interest rather than one that prioritized the interests of the US, humanity and civilization on the whole. I guess.. I just expected more nuanced discussion around this on HN.