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Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says

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Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says

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Post by RankingMember »

Neil44 wrote: post #117
xnorswap wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It auto-runs all the time. I've got a work laptop with a teams for the work domain which I want. There's also a completely different copy of teams, "Microsoft teams (Personal)" teams, which I have to close. Not just every boot, even after I close it manually, I still find it running constantly. I've no idea what triggers it, but it doesn't seem to obey any startup settings.

Ha, that's another thing that grinds my gears. Teams, Teams (Personal) Teams (new)... WTF people you're supposed to know what you're doing here.

The "Teams (new)" is absurd. Have we not learned not to name things this way by now? I say this as someone as guilty as anyone of having created an iterative series of files with "Final_1.txt", "Final_2.txt", "Final_1-new.txt" suffixes in times of mental sketch-padding. I would never release a product into the wild with any of those in the title, though.

Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says

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Post by Semaphor »

anyonecancode wrote: post #228
Semaphor wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not just a DSL, it’s also the fluent API. Because one thing Microsoft loves more than money, is confusing people with their naming.

They say that "naming things is hard," but tbh I think some people and orgs are just really bad at naming.

I can recommend "Totally made up conversations about choosing Entity Framework version numbers": https://blog.oneunicorn.com/2020/03/26/numbersarehard/

;)

Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says

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Post by vladvasiliu »

djha-skin wrote: post #175

If you "just want chat" but are required to use Teams at work, you might try pidgin[1] with the MS Teams plugin[2]. The former can be installed via scoop and therefore does not require admin priveleges to install. This thing still works, and works better than ever, with plugin for modern chat services available. 1: https://www.pidgin.im/ 2: https://github.com/EionRobb/purple-teams

I started having a bit of hope, until I read the cons :

> Doesn't support calls, provides direct links to the Teams website

Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says

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Post by RankingMember »

xnorswap wrote: post #140
Neil44 wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ha, that's another thing that grinds my gears. Teams, Teams (Personal) Teams (new)... WTF people you're supposed to know what you're doing here.

It's as if they saw how badly they messed up the Lync -> "Skype for business" transition and thought, "Yeah let's try that again".

In my cynical frame of mind I imagine those execs then golden-parachuted off to Google and were responsible for the Google Pay, GPay, and Google Wallet debacle.

Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says

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Post by vladvasiliu »

jncfhnb wrote: post #31

Seems a little odd given that they unbundled it in Europe.

How so? I installed office on a computer the other day, and I had to jump through hoops to only install Excel (which is the only one I needed). By default it was installed and set to automatically start for all users.

Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says

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Post by ant6n »

bigpeopleareold wrote: post #222

The EU step is complete. Now get all your co-workers and random people in your company to stop scheduling stuff in Teams (better yet, just stop having meetings - a day of them gets mind-numbing, having them practically every day is painful.)

For the cost of zoom, i get teams, office and a boat load of cloud storage. The software is crap, but the deal is hard to beat. Kind of weird how MS keeps undermining their product offering with their stupid shannanigans.

Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says

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Post by badgersnake »

indiantinker wrote: post #153

Hate teams! I have heard many friends quit companies as they could not stand using teams after companies abandoned slack to jump on the free teams bandwagon. They had to hire Microsoft experts to manage the IT infrastructure which was just auto-managed before Microsoft sold them the stack.

Writing the messages on sandpaper and transporting them via my back passage would be more pleasant than using teams.

Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says

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Post by EasyMark »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #186
gostsamo wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because word and excel go together in the needs of a business and those who usually buy one use the other as well. All competition of MS in this space offer similar products bundled in a similar way. Teams is a recent addition which is orthogonal and is a product from entirely another market where the competition has offerings without an office suite. Looking from there, MS uses unrelated offering to hide the price o…

I disagree. Excel is probably far more used than Word, and word could be dropped from many people’s computers and no one would notice. Outlook is probably the most widely used, and again, if outlook can be considered part of the office suite, which it has been for decades, why not another communication software? My broader point being these groupings are all pretty arbitrary.

Wouldn’t it be that we have a fairly widely spread defecto definition of “office suite” as word processor, spread sheet, presentation, email as it’s been that way for decades? Not sure about “communications”however I think it is a serious argument to consider that a separate product, but not the others, they’re kind of like peanut butter and jelly or Bonnie & Clyde or the three stooges.

Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says

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Post by miked85 »

mikestew wrote: post #168
indiantinker wrote: post #153

Hate teams! I have heard many friends quit companies as they could not stand using teams after companies abandoned slack to jump on the free teams bandwagon. They had to hire Microsoft experts to manage the IT infrastructure which was just auto-managed before Microsoft sold them the stack.

I have heard many friends quit companies as they could not stand using teams I could believe that one might have a friend that is privileged enough (and petty enough) to quit over such trivialities. But “many”? Color me…skeptical.

I don't think it's all that petty. Teams is really bad, and if you have to deal with it daily, time to find another job.

Re: Microsoft breached antitrust rules by bundling Teams and Office, EU says

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Post by EasyMark »

sunaookami wrote: post #73

I already know how this will be solved: Microsoft will pay a (small) fine and file it under "the cost of doing business" while the damage is already done. Teams is one of the absolutely worst products ever programmed, it's hiliarious how bad it is. It only reached its market share because Microsoft gave it away "for free" with Office 365 or MS 365 or whatever it's called now.

Don’t these “actions”usually include separating the products out the way the EU wants them?aka don’t include Teams in EU installs of MS office or don’t even include office at all? Otherwise a fine is useless.
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