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Chang'e 6 lunar sample return mission returns with samples from moon's far side

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I often wondered, how do you deal with all the waste heat from a fission power reactor, in a vacuum? Giant radiators? edit: fixed typo, derp. fusion=fission

It would likely be a thermal reactor, I guess? So no waste heat, since the little heat it gives is used to generate electricity.

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The international moon base plan is fascinating. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Lunar_Research_S... (nuclear power plans by Russia not so much) Is there enough gravity on the moon to prevent the long-term health problems from the space station like bone, muscle and vision loss?

> Is there enough gravity on the moon to prevent the long-term health problems from the space station like bone, muscle and vision loss? Nobody knows. You might think scientist can science up answers to any question but it is impossible to know this without long term data which is simply not available. There were some experiments done in parabolic flights [2] but those only last for a very short time. There is this l…

Another, perhaps even more interesting question, is also how the first generation who are born in low g will evolve and adapt. And this, so far as I know, is a completely unexplored question. Mammal experiments might be interesting, but at some point you simply have to do it with humans, not only because of our fairly long gestation period, but also because of how absurdly undeveloped we are even once when born. There's every reason to think a human baby may develop differently than other mammals which do far more development within the womb.

Re: Chang'e 6 lunar sample return mission returns with samples from moon's far side

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What are they expecting to be different about samples from the moon's far side to those previously collected?

Leaving aside all the geopolitics and bragging rights, I would imagine that one scientifc reason for trying is that since the far side gets more meteor hits, there may be more material from elsewhere in the solar system. (Having said that I know nothing about this mission and am just guessing.)

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The reason you seek to explore what you don't know is because you don't know what you don't know. In general I don't think people really appreciate how ridiculously little we know about everything outside of our planet. Like for instance it was only in 2013 (!!!) that it was discovered that Mars' soil is relatively 'moist', about 2% water by mass. And that's just the topsoil layer - it's suggestive that below the sur…

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Let's not bring sinophobia and geopolitics into a scientific mission to the moon.

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> nuclear power plans by Russia not so much Why? Any lunar base without nuclear power plans is not a serious effort.

Solar PV linked to battery storage is the obvious energy source for a moonbase. All reactors require coolant circulation and water is going to be among the most valuable commodities on the moon, not something you want to circulate through a reactor (where you inevitably get tritium formation, making the water unsuitable for other uses). Maybe you could use helium or liquid sodium metal as the primary coolant, but the…

You'll need an insane amount of battery storage, since the moon only rotates once per month and you'll need to power through a long period of no sunlight.

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The reason you seek to explore what you don't know is because you don't know what you don't know. In general I don't think people really appreciate how ridiculously little we know about everything outside of our planet. Like for instance it was only in 2013 (!!!) that it was discovered that Mars' soil is relatively 'moist', about 2% water by mass. And that's just the topsoil layer - it's suggestive that below the sur…

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> nuclear power plans by Russia not so much Why? Any lunar base without nuclear power plans is not a serious effort.

Solar PV linked to battery storage is the obvious energy source for a moonbase. All reactors require coolant circulation and water is going to be among the most valuable commodities on the moon, not something you want to circulate through a reactor (where you inevitably get tritium formation, making the water unsuitable for other uses). Maybe you could use helium or liquid sodium metal as the primary coolant, but the…

> Solar PV linked to battery storage is the obvious energy source for a moonbase

It's not serious with chemical propulsion and the Moon's day/night cycle. Put another way, if one team uses nukes and is, as a result, power unconstrained, while the other spends all its energy launching solar panels and batteries to keep life support online, it's obvious who's going to be doing any science.

> All reactors require coolant circulation and water is going to be among the most valuable commodities on the moon

Sodium and sterling, no water [1]. There is a reason even NASA is only seriously considering nuclear power [2].

[1] https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/stmd/tech-demo-missions-pr...

[2] https://www.nasa.gov/tdm/fission-surface-power/

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> nuclear power plans by Russia not so much Why? Any lunar base without nuclear power plans is not a serious effort.

I often wondered, how do you deal with all the waste heat from a fission power reactor, in a vacuum? Giant radiators? edit: fixed typo, derp. fusion=fission

> Giant radiators?

Yup, that's the thing on top [1].

[1] https://www.nasa.gov/tdm/fission-surface-power/

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> nuclear power plans by Russia not so much Why? Any lunar base without nuclear power plans is not a serious effort.

I often wondered, how do you deal with all the waste heat from a fission power reactor, in a vacuum? Giant radiators? edit: fixed typo, derp. fusion=fission

Heat is what you use to make steam and drive the turbines with. I don't understand your question.

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The international moon base plan is fascinating. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Lunar_Research_S... (nuclear power plans by Russia not so much) Is there enough gravity on the moon to prevent the long-term health problems from the space station like bone, muscle and vision loss?

> nuclear power plans by Russia not so much Why? Any lunar base without nuclear power plans is not a serious effort.

The moon is fairly unique (relative to Earth) in that the exact same spot will go from -200C to +100C on a two week cycle (day and night). It seems "obvious" that there must be some clever way to exploit this to generate energy in a simple and novel fashion.
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