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Re: You Can Make Video Games

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Post by djtumolo » Thu, Jun 07, 2012, 2:13 PM UTC

JoeCortopassi wrote: post #9

I know that stealing content happens, but as a developer that wants to stay on the up-and-up (read:not steal the hard work of others), I don't wan't to rely on a resource that has this sort of attitude on stealing others content. From the 2D Art section[1]: "If you really don’t want to make your own art, steal it! There are a ton of sites with sprite rips of classic 2D games. You can’t make a career on stolen game sp…

They are placeholders, not final art. I've been working on a game, and I rip sprites from wherever I find them. Not because I am a callous thief, but because the art is temporary until I can get a prototype, and convince an artist to join.

Re: You Can Make Video Games

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Post by TwiztidK » Thu, Jun 07, 2012, 2:25 PM UTC

JoeCortopassi wrote: post #9

I know that stealing content happens, but as a developer that wants to stay on the up-and-up (read:not steal the hard work of others), I don't wan't to rely on a resource that has this sort of attitude on stealing others content. From the 2D Art section[1]: "If you really don’t want to make your own art, steal it! There are a ton of sites with sprite rips of classic 2D games. You can’t make a career on stolen game sp…

Not to say that stealing other's content is okay, but I could certainly understand "borrowing" images to use in games when you're just starting out. I actually think it's usful because you can make clones of your favorite games in order to learn how to program.

Re: You Can Make Video Games

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Post by techtalsky » Thu, Jun 07, 2012, 2:39 PM UTC

It's interesting to note that the newly Kickstarter-funded Wasteland sequel is going with Unity for its development. A great post on why here: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/inxile/wasteland-2/posts...

Re: You Can Make Video Games

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Post by chc » Thu, Jun 07, 2012, 3:07 PM UTC

JoeCortopassi wrote: post #9

I know that stealing content happens, but as a developer that wants to stay on the up-and-up (read:not steal the hard work of others), I don't wan't to rely on a resource that has this sort of attitude on stealing others content. From the 2D Art section[1]: "If you really don’t want to make your own art, steal it! There are a ton of sites with sprite rips of classic 2D games. You can’t make a career on stolen game sp…

Not a lawyer, but using a couple of sprite rips in the process of learning sounds like it ought to be fair use to me. Are you a lawyer?

Re: You Can Make Video Games

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Post by Jach » Thu, Jun 07, 2012, 3:08 PM UTC

JoeCortopassi wrote: post #9

I know that stealing content happens, but as a developer that wants to stay on the up-and-up (read:not steal the hard work of others), I don't wan't to rely on a resource that has this sort of attitude on stealing others content. From the 2D Art section[1]: "If you really don’t want to make your own art, steal it! There are a ton of sites with sprite rips of classic 2D games. You can’t make a career on stolen game sp…

So presumably you're against fanfics and sprite comics too? As with everything that can be copied (digitally or otherwise) and used in derivative works, fair use et al. concerns apply. (Hence the other commenters noting that it's common and fine to do this for self-education.)

Re: You Can Make Video Games

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Post by polshaw » Thu, Jun 07, 2012, 3:10 PM UTC

Unfortunately I have no wisdom to offer, but that guy's enthusiasm was inspiring.

Re: You Can Make Video Games

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Post by JoeCortopassi » Thu, Jun 07, 2012, 3:12 PM UTC

djtumolo wrote: post #11

JoeCortopassi wrote: post #9

I know that stealing content happens, but as a developer that wants to stay on the up-and-up (read:not steal the hard work of others), I don't wan't to rely on a resource that has this sort of attitude on stealing others content. From the 2D Art section[1]: "If you really don’t want to make your own art, steal it! There are a ton of sites with sprite rips of classic 2D games. You can’t make a career on stolen game sp…

They are placeholders, not final art. I've been working on a game, and I rip sprites from wherever I find them. Not because I am a callous thief, but because the art is temporary until I can get a prototype, and convince an artist to join.

You might use them as placeholders, which I have no problem with, but that quote clearly implies using them in shipped products.

Re: You Can Make Video Games

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Post by jwingy » Thu, Jun 07, 2012, 3:18 PM UTC

I had been doing my own research recently on 2d frameworks and engines to use, and while I don't have any experience with the following, they do seem to have a fair amount of respect within the game dev communities:

https://love2d.org/ http://www.sfml-dev.org/

Re: You Can Make Video Games

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Post by jwingy » Thu, Jun 07, 2012, 3:30 PM UTC

debacle wrote: post #7

The problem with making video games is that it is long not hard . Designing your game is about 3-5% of the time spent making it. The rest is in tweaking animations, inverting arrays for better performance, refactoring, adjusting physics, fixing weird bugs, creating metaformats, and wishing desperately that floating point numbers did a bit less floating.

I would say the persistence needed to make something does make it hard. I understand what you're saying, but I don't think you can say it makes it any less difficult to ship something.

Re: You Can Make Video Games

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Post by Dn_Ab » Thu, Jun 07, 2012, 3:34 PM UTC

djtumolo wrote: post #6

a few things that are worth checking out: - gamedev subreddit - http://www.reddit.com/r/gamedev/ - python game engine - http://www.pygame.org/news.html - sprite builder so you don't have to worry about art - http://charas-project.net/charas2/index.php

You missed http://gamedev.net one of the best game development boards.