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Re: Gimme Bar: Don't bookmark the web. Save it. Forever.

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Post by lo_fye »

preinheimer wrote: post #34
lo_fye wrote: post #33

Gimmebar pulls a Readability. When you share content from Gimmebar, it shares a shortlink to the content on Gimmebar, not the source URL. Sure seems like content/value/traffic theft to me.

When you share content from gimmebar, they're no longer sure the original source is still displaying the item in question, or even that the URI chosen was canonical (think the root url on a blog). What choice do they have? To go a step further, I think you're freeing the person sharing the content prematurely. If I see something funny on cracked.com, and decide to grab that content, upload it to imagur, then share th…

i guess they could put a hoverbar at the top of the page when they link to the original content. if there's a 404 or redirect, the user can click the hoverbar to see gimmebar's copy.

i'm not sure how to do it, exactly, but i know it's possible to do this in a way that isn't so... swipey.

Re: Gimme Bar: Don't bookmark the web. Save it. Forever.

#42

Post by preinheimer »

lo_fye wrote: post #41
preinheimer wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you share content from gimmebar, they're no longer sure the original source is still displaying the item in question, or even that the URI chosen was canonical (think the root url on a blog). What choice do they have? To go a step further, I think you're freeing the person sharing the content prematurely. If I see something funny on cracked.com, and decide to grab that content, upload it to imagur, then share th…

i guess they could put a hoverbar at the top of the page when they link to the original content. if there's a 404 or redirect, the user can click the hoverbar to see gimmebar's copy. i'm not sure how to do it, exactly, but i know it's possible to do this in a way that isn't so... swipey.

How do you know you're seeing the wrong content?

Re: Gimme Bar: Don't bookmark the web. Save it. Forever.

#43

Post by jperras »

lo_fye wrote: post #33

Gimmebar pulls a Readability. When you share content from Gimmebar, it shares a shortlink to the content on Gimmebar, not the source URL. Sure seems like content/value/traffic theft to me.

On any Gimme Bar asset page, you'll find a direct link back to the original URL where it was grabbed from. You don't need to use the short link if you don't want to, but we do make it slightly more convenient.

Re: Gimme Bar: Don't bookmark the web. Save it. Forever.

#44

Post by regularfry »

Gring wrote: post #38

Looks nice, but that dropbox-export is not enough futureproofing for me. When I rely on something like this, I need to be sure it will keep automatically existing even if any one company goes down. In your case, I should not have to manually initiate the dropbox backup, and it should not rely exclusively on one cloud provider. So there sould be something like a RAIC (redundant array of independent clouds) and then yo…

How many services do that? I can't think of any.

Re: Gimme Bar: Don't bookmark the web. Save it. Forever.

#45

Post by dmd »

scoates wrote: post #30
mikecane wrote: post #17

I'm unconvinced. I used FURL, which saved actual web pages. Then FURL was sold to diigo and they killed all that -- actually wiping out everything I saved and just leaving the URL (like a frikkin neutron bomb acquisition!). I'm not going through that again. Good luck otherwise.

Hi. You make a good point. We've gone to great lengths to ensure this doesn't happen. One of those lengths is that you can export your entire library to Dropbox. This protects you against us failing or being stupid in other ways. S

"This app will have access to your entire Dropbox."

Uh, no. Why do you need access to my entire Dropbox? That's bad. You should request access only to /Apps/Gimmebar.

(I'd submit this as feedback, but your bottom right 'feedback' thing is broken - on submit, you get a blank page.)

Re: Gimme Bar: Don't bookmark the web. Save it. Forever.

#46

Post by scottjackson »

Gring wrote: post #38

Looks nice, but that dropbox-export is not enough futureproofing for me. When I rely on something like this, I need to be sure it will keep automatically existing even if any one company goes down. In your case, I should not have to manually initiate the dropbox backup, and it should not rely exclusively on one cloud provider. So there sould be something like a RAIC (redundant array of independent clouds) and then yo…

> I should not have to manually initiate the dropbox backup

I'm pretty sure you only have to start it once. After that, anything you Gimme gets put into your Dropbox folder right away. At least, that's how my Gimme Bar works.

I originally thought you had to had to go to Gimme Bar's website each time you wanted to back up, like you said, but recently (maybe a month ago?) files started being automatically put into my Dropbox folder as soon as I Gimme'd them. I'm not sure what happened, but I'm glad about the change.

So, tl;dr: Dropbox backup definitely works the way it should.

As for future-proofing, I think this Gimme Bar does a pretty good job. If Gimme Bar ceased to exist, you'd still have your library in your Dropbox folder. If Dropbox ceased to exist, your Dropbox folder would still be a folder on your computer, and your Gimme Bar library would still be there.

So, for you to completely lose your entire Gimme Bar library, all three of the following things would have to happen:

1. Dropbox would have to shut down, 2. Gimme Bar would have to shut down, and 3. The hard drive on every computer you had Dropbox installed on would have to fail, as would every back-up of every one of those drives.

If you wanted to go to Siracusian lengths, I guess you could install Dropbox's server client on a VPS. That way, you'd have your Dropbox stuff in your own cloud as well as in Dropbox's, so even if all three of the above things happen, you'd still have access to your stuff.

Re: Gimme Bar: Don't bookmark the web. Save it. Forever.

#47

Post by jperras »

Gring wrote: post #38

Looks nice, but that dropbox-export is not enough futureproofing for me. When I rely on something like this, I need to be sure it will keep automatically existing even if any one company goes down. In your case, I should not have to manually initiate the dropbox backup, and it should not rely exclusively on one cloud provider. So there sould be something like a RAIC (redundant array of independent clouds) and then yo…

We have an open and pretty well documented API (https://gimmebar.com/api/v1), which is basically what we use to build the Dropbox export in addition to the Instagram, Pinboard, etc. backups. We chose Dropbox because the intersection of our users and Dropbox users is quite high, and it was simple enough to execute.

You could very easily build a simple application to back up all of your data to whatever service (S3, personal server, Some Other Cloud™).

Re: Gimme Bar: Don't bookmark the web. Save it. Forever.

#48

Post by scoates »

dmd wrote: post #45
scoates wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi. You make a good point. We've gone to great lengths to ensure this doesn't happen. One of those lengths is that you can export your entire library to Dropbox. This protects you against us failing or being stupid in other ways. S

"This app will have access to your entire Dropbox." Uh, no. Why do you need access to my entire Dropbox? That's bad. You should request access only to /Apps/Gimmebar. (I'd submit this as feedback, but your bottom right 'feedback' thing is broken - on submit, you get a blank page.)

Hi.

You're right. That is bad. We added Dropbox support before Dropbox allowed per-directory sandboxing. We're on it (but we also have a huge number of things to do). This does have a fairly high priority.

Thanks for pointing it our (and understanding).

S

Re: Gimme Bar: Don't bookmark the web. Save it. Forever.

#49

Post by Gring »

regularfry wrote: post #44
Gring wrote: post #38

Looks nice, but that dropbox-export is not enough futureproofing for me. When I rely on something like this, I need to be sure it will keep automatically existing even if any one company goes down. In your case, I should not have to manually initiate the dropbox backup, and it should not rely exclusively on one cloud provider. So there sould be something like a RAIC (redundant array of independent clouds) and then yo…

How many services do that? I can't think of any.

Yes, there probably aren't any at this time. I'm just outlining my main points of critique to suggest further improvements.

Re: Gimme Bar: Don't bookmark the web. Save it. Forever.

#50

Post by dybber »

Seems nice, though a bit slow.

When copying quotes it would be even nicer if you could keep the formatting from the website. Bold text, lists etc. should be preserved when presented on your site.

I thought the screenshot feature could have been a useful alternative, but for certain pages it doesn't really work: http://inoveryourhead.net/20-things-i-should-have-known-at-2... - I'm not sure it can be solved in general. Maybe it is possible to run it through readability before taking the screenshot.

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