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Fearing losses, banks are quietly dumping real estate loans

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Re: Fearing losses, banks are quietly dumping real estate loans

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post #29

These articles don’t provide the complete picture. Who are the buyers of these loans and what is their motivation knowing full well these are future underwater loans.

Just have the Fed take it. They've already printed enough money to buy $2.4T in 'mortgage-backed securities', what's a few more $T on the pile? https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/WSHOMCB

Because that would be stealing from everyone who holds dollars by increasing the supply

Re: Fearing losses, banks are quietly dumping real estate loans

#32
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Real estate infuriates me to the point that I find myself hoping it burns to the ground and that the whole industry suffers. “Real estate always goes up” is treated like a damn entitlement to the point that the financial well being of everyone under 40 today has been sacrificed to it. In 2008 it felt like the entire real economy was put on the chopping block to bail it out. I’d love for a real estate market that look…

Agreed. The de-risking of the housing market has been disastrous for The de-risking has come in the form of artificial scarcity caused by zoning gatekeeping and outdated fire code, amongst other things. It’s time North America took a hard look at the root causes and fixes them before there is a crisis of confidence in leadership (which is already happened to me - I’m moving out instead of buying in to the insanity.)

None of that would be a problem if people could just build.

We need to double the number of bedrooms in most major cities.

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#33
post #20

To be clear, it looks like we're talking about commercial real estate here.

And commercial loans look nothing like what you would use to buy a home with.

Most of them are 5 year (there are others), interest only and a massive balloon payment at the end. They are written based on the income of the property & its value. We're seeing these markets unwind, and it isn't going to be pretty.

Commercial property across the board (not just offices) has been in a strange place for a long time, and it isn't getting better.

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#34
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Real estate infuriates me to the point that I find myself hoping it burns to the ground and that the whole industry suffers. “Real estate always goes up” is treated like a damn entitlement to the point that the financial well being of everyone under 40 today has been sacrificed to it. In 2008 it felt like the entire real economy was put on the chopping block to bail it out. I’d love for a real estate market that look…

Agreed. The de-risking of the housing market has been disastrous for The de-risking has come in the form of artificial scarcity caused by zoning gatekeeping and outdated fire code, amongst other things. It’s time North America took a hard look at the root causes and fixes them before there is a crisis of confidence in leadership (which is already happened to me - I’m moving out instead of buying in to the insanity.)

Voting with your feet is the most practical option.

Re: Fearing losses, banks are quietly dumping real estate loans

#35
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Real estate infuriates me to the point that I find myself hoping it burns to the ground and that the whole industry suffers. “Real estate always goes up” is treated like a damn entitlement to the point that the financial well being of everyone under 40 today has been sacrificed to it. In 2008 it felt like the entire real economy was put on the chopping block to bail it out. I’d love for a real estate market that look…

Agreed. The de-risking of the housing market has been disastrous for The de-risking has come in the form of artificial scarcity caused by zoning gatekeeping and outdated fire code, amongst other things. It’s time North America took a hard look at the root causes and fixes them before there is a crisis of confidence in leadership (which is already happened to me - I’m moving out instead of buying in to the insanity.)

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Re: Fearing losses, banks are quietly dumping real estate loans

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I live in perpetual wonder that here in the US I have locked in a 30 year 2.3% mortgage, which I use for leverage, whereas back home in the UK people have to refinance every 2-5 years and so their mortgages trend roughly over the prevailing base rate for the term of the mortgage.

Yes this article is about commercial real estate but it shows something is actually very broken from a credit market perspective - my loan is probably going to be underwater for the financier (JPMC assumed from FRB) for the rest of the term (just on the fed rate, but then I'm also making a margin on the leveraged capital. And tax deductions on the interest.).

Re: Fearing losses, banks are quietly dumping real estate loans

#37
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Real estate infuriates me to the point that I find myself hoping it burns to the ground and that the whole industry suffers. “Real estate always goes up” is treated like a damn entitlement to the point that the financial well being of everyone under 40 today has been sacrificed to it. In 2008 it felt like the entire real economy was put on the chopping block to bail it out. I’d love for a real estate market that look…

Agreed. The de-risking of the housing market has been disastrous for The de-risking has come in the form of artificial scarcity caused by zoning gatekeeping and outdated fire code, amongst other things. It’s time North America took a hard look at the root causes and fixes them before there is a crisis of confidence in leadership (which is already happened to me - I’m moving out instead of buying in to the insanity.)

It really started with Greenspan's juicing the markets in the early '00s due to the dotcom bust and 9/11. We got a short reprieve after the 2008 crash. But the markets have been fucked up for a while now.

Arguably the '08 crash was bad long term too. As far as I've read, a lot of people got out of the industry after that, which made it even harder to build.

Re: Fearing losses, banks are quietly dumping real estate loans

#38
post #36

I live in perpetual wonder that here in the US I have locked in a 30 year 2.3% mortgage, which I use for leverage, whereas back home in the UK people have to refinance every 2-5 years and so their mortgages trend roughly over the prevailing base rate for the term of the mortgage. Yes this article is about commercial real estate but it shows something is actually very broken from a credit market perspective - my loan…

> I have locked in a 30 year 2.3% mortgage, which I use for leverage

> but then I'm also making a margin on the leveraged capital.

Do you mind expanding on this? I’d like to understand what you are doing, as a fellow ridiculous mortgage holder.

Re: Fearing losses, banks are quietly dumping real estate loans

#39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. The de-risking of the housing market has been disastrous for The de-risking has come in the form of artificial scarcity caused by zoning gatekeeping and outdated fire code, amongst other things. It’s time North America took a hard look at the root causes and fixes them before there is a crisis of confidence in leadership (which is already happened to me - I’m moving out instead of buying in to the insanity.)

None of that would be a problem if people could just build. We need to double the number of bedrooms in most major cities.

There aren't enough people in most major cities to come anywhere occupying that many bedrooms. Are there enough people in rural areas, suburbs, and minor cities that want to move to major cities to supply renters for them?
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