If it's $12k and requires an operator this seems more of a band-aid than anything. Where are the operators going to come from? And for a lot of places the operator + device probably pays for 3 lifeguards or swim instructors. Nothing is going to get better until we start trying to get out of the hole and improve the average person's ability to swim and make decisions in open water. I used to be a lifeguard and swim in…
I think we just need to be ok with the fact that people will die. Trying to attain a zero incident or zero death policy is completly unrealistic.
Robots on Lake Michigan beaches to prevent drownings
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Re: Robots on Lake Michigan beaches to prevent drownings
#42This isn't really a robot, more of just a remote-controlled boat. Still cool and a great idea for helping people who are drowning, of course. But seems misleading to call it a "robot", which (to me at least) implies some level of autonomy and more tech than you'd find in toy RC cars from 30 years ago.
The price tag also seems like the people want it to be marketed as a robot. You could strap a motor and RC controller to a floatation device and waterproof it for less than a couple hundred dollars. Why do things that are meant for safety always have to be insanely priced?
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Re: Robots on Lake Michigan beaches to prevent drownings
#43This isn't really a robot, more of just a remote-controlled boat. Still cool and a great idea for helping people who are drowning, of course. But seems misleading to call it a "robot", which (to me at least) implies some level of autonomy and more tech than you'd find in toy RC cars from 30 years ago.
The price tag also seems like the people want it to be marketed as a robot. You could strap a motor and RC controller to a floatation device and waterproof it for less than a couple hundred dollars. Why do things that are meant for safety always have to be insanely priced?
Re: Robots on Lake Michigan beaches to prevent drownings
#44If it's $12k and requires an operator this seems more of a band-aid than anything. Where are the operators going to come from? And for a lot of places the operator + device probably pays for 3 lifeguards or swim instructors. Nothing is going to get better until we start trying to get out of the hole and improve the average person's ability to swim and make decisions in open water. I used to be a lifeguard and swim in…
Couldn't agree more.
I remember growing up and my parents required myself and my brothers to take swim lessons all the way through junior lifesaving course which was the last course the city offered and you had to pass all the lower classes in order to get into the lifeguard class. These classes were always taught over the Summer and every class had 2-30 kids in it. The lifeguard class was slightly less around 10-15 kids, but still a large class.
I remember wanting to teach my daughter how to swim. The local pool didn't have lessons and neither did the YMCA, so we had to do one of these "mall-type" lessons where some company had a pool in some strip mall and you had one instructor and like 3 kids in the class. In an hour, then had maybe seven or eight reps of learning different techniques. I was just stunned it had changed so drastically. I remember being in the pool for almost two hours every day, every morning for my Summers, getting ten to fifteen minutes on each technique day after day. I remember riding on some rickety old school bus at 7am with a bunch of other kids I didn't know.
I don't know if its because there is no value for cities or the Y to take swimming lessons on any more, or the money and liability is too much. Either way, kids are not prepared to deal with being out in the open water, either in a pool or out in more dangerous areas like the ocean.
Re: Robots on Lake Michigan beaches to prevent drownings
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think we just need to be ok with the fact that people will die. Trying to attain a zero incident or zero death policy is completly unrealistic.
Some of you may drown, but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make!
Drownings are tragic, however, we can't 100% prevent things without severe negative consequences.
Re: Robots on Lake Michigan beaches to prevent drownings
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
>> A lot of the people who never learned to swim make extremely poor decisions when they go into open water or use a small boat. And a great many of those poor decisions are somewhat based on drugs/alcohol. The kid drowning because in a rip off a popular beach is rare. The grown man drowning stuck under his own dock, even in his own pool, on a friday night is not. We shouldn't deprive kids of water access because gro…
Just another example of the US’s excessive liability culture that is gumming up the gears of society.
I think it's a tragedy; I spent a lot of my formative time enjoying the lake and the outdoors (not to mention it being one of the few healthy ways to escape the stress of engineering school).
The school is also gradually eroding all of the student run outdoor clubs (sailing, mountaineering) because they aren't directly controlled by the university bureaucratic system. Young adults today are having that taken away from them and replaced with nothing.
Re: Robots on Lake Michigan beaches to prevent drownings
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
Some of you may drown, but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make!
I know its tongue in cheek, but in practical terms, there is negative consequences for pushing the zero drownings. To achieve zero drownings, we have to have zero risk. the only way for zero risk is to eliminate it (i.e. ban swimming). However, banning swimming has many unintended consequences (swimming is great exercise, swimming during boat use is important during collisions). At some point, we will encounter water…
Re: Robots on Lake Michigan beaches to prevent drownings
#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just another example of the US’s excessive liability culture that is gumming up the gears of society.
My alma matter (which is directly on a lake) has been gradually banning all unsupervised swimming for students because someone gets blackout drunk and drowns themself in the lake every year. I think it's a tragedy; I spent a lot of my formative time enjoying the lake and the outdoors (not to mention it being one of the few healthy ways to escape the stress of engineering school). The school is also gradually eroding…
Re: Robots on Lake Michigan beaches to prevent drownings
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think we just need to be ok with the fact that people will die. Trying to attain a zero incident or zero death policy is completly unrealistic.
Some of you may drown, but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make!
Re: Robots on Lake Michigan beaches to prevent drownings
#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just another example of the US’s excessive liability culture that is gumming up the gears of society.
My alma matter (which is directly on a lake) has been gradually banning all unsupervised swimming for students because someone gets blackout drunk and drowns themself in the lake every year. I think it's a tragedy; I spent a lot of my formative time enjoying the lake and the outdoors (not to mention it being one of the few healthy ways to escape the stress of engineering school). The school is also gradually eroding…
We ban or severely restrict many physical activities then we wonder why childhood obesity is so high and why so many kids have metabolic syndrome and cardiovascular issues.
Since the link is indirect we ignore it and a heart-attack is just considered bad luck.