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Innovation heroes are a sign of a dysfunctional organization

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Re: Innovation heroes are a sign of a dysfunctional organization

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This a million times! I’ve been in the position of the “innovation hero” but also was unfortunate enough to work on “innovation pipeline” implementations within a large company. These never work because: 1. (99% of) employees don’t care. They have their own job to do and working on other things is an eyebrow raise from their manager (see 3). And what’s the e benefit? Mostly it’s a pat on the back or some “points” in…

Yes and:

As legendary methodologist Alistair Cockburn teaches us: People hate change. They really, really hate change. (paraphrasing)

> not only don’t care but are generally hostile to nonstandard work

Most persons have an immunological-like response to any and all change. Our minds (personalities?) strive to maintain an equilibrium at all costs. Even when the status quo sucks. Even when we intellectually commit to changing. We keep getting pulled back into the rut, foiling our own best intentions.

This trait makes change very, very hard (for most people).

Now multiply that by 10, 100, or 1000 persons. Organizational (cultural) change is that much harder.

Noob me was belligerently intolerant of apathy and inaction. A total wrecking ball.

Elder me now appreciates notions like patience, deep listening, radical empathy. Like trying to empower people to improve their own situation, instead of always running them over.

Re: Innovation heroes are a sign of a dysfunctional organization

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Acquisition, acquisition, basic OS feature (and therefore part of the Android acquisition), Google EEE of thing you could already do (and developed by an individual Google developer without the approval of Google management), Google CADT, Google EEE of something you could already do, acquisition, acquisition, actual Google creation, don't know, Google EEE of something that already existed (Firebug was first), not goo…

Fun! Flights, shopping, scholar, trends, tensorflow, Go, recaptcha, pixel, Chromecast, firebase, translate... Re "too trivial to count"? We're commenting on a thread that involves an award given out for someone who wrote an excel script... Re "not good": From whose perspective? If it makes company more profit then it's hard to say that it's a bad thing...

Flights were acquisition and to this day are a bit of unlikely island internally (AFAIK QPX engine is still in use, and it's written in language otherwise verboten at Google)

Re: Innovation heroes are a sign of a dysfunctional organization

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Sometimes the new employee's superpower is all the good ideas they have seen in their previous jobs that they are now bringing to your company. But the fact that they work for you now means that they no longer get new experience about how things work in other companies. Sometimes it is the fact that as a new employee, they are expected to still be learning new things, so they are given less work and responsibilities,…

All good points. I'll qualify one though -- if the "management" who is present on daily standup does not prioritize fixing tech debt, then that person is simply at the wrong level of management to be present. It's possible to do standups productively, though often they certainly are not.

> It's possible to do standups productively, though often they certainly are not.

The original idea of Scrum was that the daily standups are for developers alone. And they are supposed to be very short; literally while standing up to discourage people from starting long debates. Just say, briefly, what did you work on yesterday, what are you going to work on today, and whether you have any problems. To prevent developers from starting to work on something that other team member already did or is currently doing.

But of course, "Scrum in practice" usually differs dramatically from "Scrum in theory", and the managers are often happy to invite themselves to the daily standups, so what was supposed to become a simple coordination between peers becomes a progress report and an invitation to micromanage.

I have seen it done the right way, but more often I have seen it done the wrong way.

Re: Innovation heroes are a sign of a dysfunctional organization

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This all, imo, is simply a trust problem primarily from leadership. Leadership does not trust the grunts to do productive work. So in order to make sure productive work is done, they build elaborate systems of cases, reviews, meetings, planning, scheduling, fighting, readjusting when the schedules are invariably missed, and finger pointing. All almost always completely devoid of input from the grunts. The middle mana…

> This all, imo, is simply a trust problem primarily from leadership. Leadership does not trust the grunts to do productive work. Which, IME, stems from a deep-seated classism that sees "grunts" today as being essentially no different than assembly-line workers in the Industrial Revolution: you're just a pair of hands who not only doesn't know enough to make changes in the process, you shouldn't even think of it, bec…

What bothers me about the rest of this thread is not that "grunts" are seen as fallible, but that management is implicitly infallible. Blaming everything on the "grunts" is irresponsible garbage in an industry where leadership, of necessity, often doesn't have a deep understanding of what's going on and the ability to make generally correct decisions with incomplete information is a critical management skill.

Re: Innovation heroes are a sign of a dysfunctional organization

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>> Why is it that innovations require heroics to occur in our organization? Why do we immediately assume that innovation = progress? Sure, the things that SURVIVE are useful, but that's just the tip of the iceberg. The vast majority of ideas are just like mutations in evolution more likely to be at best useless and probably damaging in various ways. You see, social constructs are not as dumb as they appear to be to t…

Innovation is required for progress. The alternative to innovation is stagnation. The end result of stagnation is death.

Don't sell short progress that has already been made.

I would estimate that for most people born in the 21st century, before they were born there were already more promising undeployed innovations that can't be beat, than new ones that will actually be deployed during their lifetime.

That's not all I do, but just about. Experimentation & discovery is like that. When I started out innovation was still as highly valued as it should be, up until the mid 1970's when people lost interest since nobody could afford to deploy anything any more anyway, unless they were among the most well-heeled who had weathered the economic devastation.

Re: Innovation heroes are a sign of a dysfunctional organization

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post #91

My goto example of a dysfunctional and bureaucratic organization is an example I saw in a finance company I worked for. I was a on team that we were doing a major project. We basically ran Kanban but had to run "sprints" so we chose 4 week sprints to get it out of the way and we put everything on the board we had to get done that month to stay on track. Our pipeline was setup in such a way that you were required to h…

> Everyone should have been thrilled by this development! Well we had a sprint review where some "Senior Project Manager" That wasn't really affiliated with our project but was some manager higher up was mad that us opening up new tickets mid sprint and closing them was ruining the org level burn down charts and expected delivery. Why should they be thrilled that you were running on Kanban but claiming to do otherwis…

Because the burn down charts don't matter and the real work being done twice as fast does matter.

Re: Innovation heroes are a sign of a dysfunctional organization

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You're kidding right? Maps, android, camera, calendar, hangout, pay/wallet, docs, sheets, slides, voice to text stuff, YouTube, chrome/debugger, kubernetes, grpc, Gmail, music, ads... Pretty ubiquitous suite of products both consumer facing and business facing... I don't think you can question that Google has been successful at innovation. You can question if they could be doing it better but impossible to say they a…

Acquisition, acquisition, basic OS feature (and therefore part of the Android acquisition), Google EEE of thing you could already do (and developed by an individual Google developer without the approval of Google management), Google CADT, Google EEE of something you could already do, acquisition, acquisition, actual Google creation, don't know, Google EEE of something that already existed (Firebug was first), not goo…

What a totally braindead take.

Dismissing something innovative and hugely impactful as “kubernetes” as “not good” says all you need to know about the quality of this comment.

Also your point that none of the acquisitions have been innovated on since their acquisition? Android was originally an OS for a handheld camera.

Or are you going to bundle all the innovation into your clearly ignorant “not good” bucket as well?

Re: Innovation heroes are a sign of a dysfunctional organization

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Clean up enough messes left behind by grunts that were trusted by management and you will be cynical too :-)

I still blame the management here for not building a team where quality and foresight matter enough to avoid large messes. Trust from management isn’t all that is needed for good work to be accomplished, good managers of software development also should not shockingly know good software development. I swear software and tech related roles are one of the few places where the managers don’t also know how to do the job…

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Re: Innovation heroes are a sign of a dysfunctional organization

#169

Lack of innovation is of course a problem in industry, but it’s a particular problem in the public sector where many employees are attracted by the “can’t get fired” rather than the “let’s make things better” nature of the job.

Even this reply is too late but I want to make sure you see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40783859. If you'd please read that moderation comment I'd appreciate it. You're welcome to participate on HN but we need you not to break the rules that badly.

Re: Innovation heroes are a sign of a dysfunctional organization

#170
“Why don’t big profitable companies (and government agencies) innovate?”

This was Clayton Christensen’s thesis, the most preeminent management academic of a generation, and still it’s been largely ignored or misinterpreted in favor of the cottage industry of fighting the obvious truths within it.

They do not exist to innovate; they exist to defend a business model from innovation. Innovation is termed “disruptive” in that it reduces margins, and expands access to markets that the organization has no advantage in. Innovation reduces profits and increases competition.

In the case of a government agency, their business model is monopolistic inefficiency: more budget to perform the same services. Internal departments in big companies operate similarly. The constant call for “innovation” is just another tactic to increase budget. Innovation in reality decreases budget, and the causality works best in the other direction, but curiously nobody is fighting for less. Why?

This is not just an internal phenomenon of departments versus budget planners or agencies versus congress. It’s also the relationship between the business or agency and the market it serves. The strategy of a monopolistic business model is to expand the captive market and extract higher margins for the same service. If they innovate, they do so only in defense, to prevent anybody else from establishing a profitable business from an innovative business model.

A good contemporary example of this is Google versus the LLMs. Google was founded to serve the market of people that love information. They found a business model in advertising, and used their profits in every imaginable way to expand the captive market of internet users, and the amount of browsing and searching they do. The problem with this is that their information-seeking users actually hate browsing, which is the activity that generates profits. Google also hired the majority of graduating AI researchers for two decades straight, who invented the solution to this problem, and published a version of it just strong enough so that nobody could create a profitable business from it. It should be obvious that still nobody else has even remotely the resources that they do to train an LLM. It’s perhaps likely that they do have a vastly superior LLM, it will be used only in service of their existing business model. The capital required for somebody else to train a model that could minimally compete with that business model was unprecedented by orders of magnitude. If Google were smart, they’d have calculated that amount versus the long-term profitability of a potential competitor, and release product updates and open source strategically to ensure that competing with them will never be profitable. And that’s probably exactly what they did. Yet somebody was willing to take that enormous loss, and now they’re at war. Now Google’s competitive LLM offerings are slightly inferior, and this appears as incompetence, but it’s actually excellent strategy to reduce competitor margins without advancing the state-of-the-art to affect the margins of their main business model. You should have no doubt that Google could easily produce a vastly superior LLM, and will continue to handicap themselves until such time as their advantage disappears. At that point, they will be forced to focus on higher margins at the top of the value chain of their business model, having lost the bottom, but also enjoy an expansion of that market from competition among low-margin or loss-leading innovators.

In Clayton’s thesis, it was steel mill technology. He explained why the big coal-fired mill businesses lost the market to electric mini-mills and eventually exited the steel mill business. He found that it was not due to incompetence, but profit-maximizing strategy. Every technology business model has a lifetime.

So don’t expect innovation from organizations that strategically demand the opposite. Tangentially, there is an interesting experiment going on at X where Elon has recreated half the conditions for innovation by cutting 90% of staff, but retained the user base and business model of the old business.

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