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Carnegie Mellon SCS grads are tops in salary, says nerdwallet

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Re: Carnegie Mellon SCS grads are tops in salary, says nerdwallet

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After graduating from school in Canada – where nobody cares where you go to school – and moving to New York – where it's supposed to mean everything – I can't emphasize enough how much this doesn't matter.

Go where you want to be, where you can find people like you, and do your thing.

Re: Carnegie Mellon SCS grads are tops in salary, says nerdwallet

#22
After graduating from school in Canada – where nobody cares where you go to school – and moving to New York – where it's supposed to mean everything – I can't emphasize enough how much this doesn't matter.

Go where you want to be, where you can find people like you, and do your thing.

Re: Carnegie Mellon SCS grads are tops in salary, says nerdwallet

#23
A friend's son was top of his class. He convinced himself to go into CMU SCS program. He was a novice programmer with barely any background. I warned him away, saying that he would find himself in unforgiving competition with people who had been programming seriously for 10 years or more and recommending that he choose a state school instead. He ignored my warnings.

He lasted six weeks before changing majors. It really messed him up psychologically - he's got a serious inferiority complex now. I believe that, had he chosen from any number of other schools, he would be a happy CS grad and programmer today. It is difficult to go from the top of your class to the very bottom.

Re: Carnegie Mellon SCS grads are tops in salary, says nerdwallet

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A friend's son was top of his class. He convinced himself to go into CMU SCS program. He was a novice programmer with barely any background. I warned him away, saying that he would find himself in unforgiving competition with people who had been programming seriously for 10 years or more and recommending that he choose a state school instead. He ignored my warnings. He lasted six weeks before changing majors. It real…

I dunno, I feel like my life has been a constant cycle of big-fish, little-pond- and I'm grateful for it. It drives me to achieve more.

Re: Carnegie Mellon SCS grads are tops in salary, says nerdwallet

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CMU grad here, let me chime in a few words if I may... As much as I am proud to hear that Carnegie Mellon SCS grads are making the top $, it saddens me a bit to realize that our graduates are playing it too safe. I don't have the exact numbers, but my guess is that the percentage of CMU grads doing startups is probably at a much lower number rate than other top tier tech schools like MIT and Stanford. As a result, wh…

I'm not sure I agree, for many reasons. 1 - a lot of grads have loans to pay off, and that $100k/yr job sure helps get it done quickly so you can focus on anything you want without that on your back. 2 - That $100k/yr job can help you meet a lot of great people to work on projects with at a later time. A lot of SCS grads come out having done nothing but stare at code for 4 years (I'm one, and I was saddened by the nu…

You are spot on with most of that, but #3 is not exactly true. When you sign on for $100k/yr you are almost guaranteed to have signed a non-compete clause, as well as a clause generally surrendering rights to novel work.

It's somewhat of a blurry, contentious line I don't well understand, but if you are working for Google chances are you can't incubate a software startup by moonlight.

Re: Carnegie Mellon SCS grads are tops in salary, says nerdwallet

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because he looks at it as a waste of human potential. Most rational humans are disturbed by as much.

Who is anyone on here to decide what grads should do with their potential, or whether they're wasting it? That's the height of arrogance, and I see no rationality whatsoever in such an attitude.

A more charitable interpretation of your parent's comment is the more general "X is a waste of your potential compared to Y, you should be doing Y." I would agree with you that startups are not automatically a better use of potential, but they might be for the particular person.

What ranks higher for me than "potential" (which is trickier for me to measure) is sanity. I can't see myself working at BigNonTechCo for 40 years doing more or less the same kind of activities, 40 hours each week. Other people can, that's for them, I'd go insane. Thus it's instrumentally rational for me to avoid such a place and rational for other people to seek it out.

Re: Carnegie Mellon SCS grads are tops in salary, says nerdwallet

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What I take away from these results on first glance is that employers tend to value an instilled work ethic, as evidenced by the (to me) surprisingly high rankings of schools like GaTech, Johns Hopkins, Harvey Mudd and CMU.

How do you find CMU to be a 'surprisingly high ranked school'? http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-gradu...

Mostly I felt the non-SCS schools were ranked surprisingly high. (disclaimer, I'm currently a rising senior at CMU SCS, didn't want to hurt any H&SS kids' feelings :p)

Re: Carnegie Mellon SCS grads are tops in salary, says nerdwallet

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CMU grad here, let me chime in a few words if I may... As much as I am proud to hear that Carnegie Mellon SCS grads are making the top $, it saddens me a bit to realize that our graduates are playing it too safe. I don't have the exact numbers, but my guess is that the percentage of CMU grads doing startups is probably at a much lower number rate than other top tier tech schools like MIT and Stanford. As a result, wh…

"...if you have practically nothing to lose."

My student loans say differently. :)

But honestly, so many factors go into post-undergrad job hunting these days that it's difficult to simplify the issue into "go to a startup" and "don't go to a startup."

I also wouldn't say that 100K is "slaving your life away" if you want to raise a family and live a comfortable life. I went to a small school in southwest Indiana (Rose-Hulman) and most graduates want nothing more than to work a 9-5 engineering job and find the love of their lives.

And frankly, I can't find the heart to advise them otherwise.

Re: Carnegie Mellon SCS grads are tops in salary, says nerdwallet

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What I take away from these results on first glance is that employers tend to value an instilled work ethic, as evidenced by the (to me) surprisingly high rankings of schools like GaTech, Johns Hopkins, Harvey Mudd and CMU.

GaTech ranks very high (inter)nationally in most engineering disciplines. Resulting salaries are not surprising.
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