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Delving into ChatGPT usage in academic writing through excess vocabulary

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Re: Delving into ChatGPT usage in academic writing through excess vocabulary

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Post by darepublic »

lm28469 wrote: post #77
doe_eyes wrote: post #55

> We show that the appearance of LLM-based writing assistants has had an unprecedented impact in the scientific literature, surpassing the effect of major world events such as the Covid pandemic. I'm not quite sure this follows. At the very least, I think they should also consider the possibility of social contagion: if some of your colleagues start using a new word in work-related writing, you usually pick that up.…

I have friends in academia (all around Europe and in different fields, from Spain to Danemark, Slovakia, Sweden, Germany, in economics, solid state physics, &c.), I can 100% guarantee you're wrong and chatgpt is now the default tool for the vast majority of people writing these papers. It's not people picking up new words, you have to understand academia is mostly about shitting out as many papers as you can and make…

tangential, but I remember working in a school computer lab hours before my big paradise lost essay was due and putting an extra newline between all paragraphs to beef up the page length.

Re: Delving into ChatGPT usage in academic writing through excess vocabulary

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Post by darepublic »

nathants wrote: post #53

good. embarrassing. human and machine both should aim for brevity and clarity, and feel shame otherwise. then we can read more and better in our lives.

> while brevity and clarity hold significant value in various contexts, they should not be imposed as universal standards at the expense of depth, nuance, and emotional richness. By delving into diverse communication styles and purposes, we enhance our ability to understand and connect with one another, thereby enriching both our personal and intellectual lives.

Re: Delving into ChatGPT usage in academic writing through excess vocabulary

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Post by nathants »

darepublic wrote: post #82
nathants wrote: post #53

good. embarrassing. human and machine both should aim for brevity and clarity, and feel shame otherwise. then we can read more and better in our lives.

> while brevity and clarity hold significant value in various contexts, they should not be imposed as universal standards at the expense of depth, nuance, and emotional richness. By delving into diverse communication styles and purposes, we enhance our ability to understand and connect with one another, thereby enriching both our personal and intellectual lives.

charge by the token much?

Re: Delving into ChatGPT usage in academic writing through excess vocabulary

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Post by firesteelrain »

josephg wrote: post #79
firesteelrain wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What else is the reason to write a “paper” if not for a class or journal or conference? Do you write papers just because? I don’t care if anyone uses LLMs to help write papers as long as it doesn’t falsify findings.

I’m certainly not falsifying any findings. I just needed some help finding English words to help make the math easier to understand. I’m sorry for this, but if some members of this community are ready and willing to make claims of academic misconduct over the idea of using an llm as a writing assistant, I don’t think I trust this community enough to go into more details in this thread.

You are overreacting. No one is getting what you are talking about.

Re: Delving into ChatGPT usage in academic writing through excess vocabulary

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Post by kccqzy »

markerz wrote: post #51
kccqzy wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Developing such a voice really requires you to read other writing voices minimally lest you be influenced by other voices. I think outside of news, I would be perfectly happy reading only pre-2022 publications. I just don't know how sustainable this is.

I disagree, I think a successful writing voice involves reading a lot of different styles and picking the elements that really speak to you.

I disagree respectfully. Before I write anything substantial, I re-read the few books that I really like to let me subconsciously absorb their elements. If I read modern journalism right before I write, whatever I write will be just like modern journalism: bland and boring. At least for me, there is a very large but temporally proximate influence between what I read and what I write.

Re: Delving into ChatGPT usage in academic writing through excess vocabulary

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Post by throawayjune »

klipt wrote: post #38
smelendez wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a joke. Delve is the first example they show.

I associate the word strongly with Lord of the Rings. "The AI researchers delved too greedily and too deep, and awoke the BaLLMrog."

LLMichel Delving

Re: Delving into ChatGPT usage in academic writing through excess vocabulary

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Post by luyu_wu »

lm28469 wrote: post #77
doe_eyes wrote: post #55

> We show that the appearance of LLM-based writing assistants has had an unprecedented impact in the scientific literature, surpassing the effect of major world events such as the Covid pandemic. I'm not quite sure this follows. At the very least, I think they should also consider the possibility of social contagion: if some of your colleagues start using a new word in work-related writing, you usually pick that up.…

I have friends in academia (all around Europe and in different fields, from Spain to Danemark, Slovakia, Sweden, Germany, in economics, solid state physics, &c.), I can 100% guarantee you're wrong and chatgpt is now the default tool for the vast majority of people writing these papers. It's not people picking up new words, you have to understand academia is mostly about shitting out as many papers as you can and make…

It sounds like you have anecdotal evidence from a bad side of academia. I also have many friends in academia across NA and Asia and have an impression closer to parent's.

Re: Delving into ChatGPT usage in academic writing through excess vocabulary

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Post by utkuumur »

seydor wrote: post #43

Nothing wrong with it. Citing each other introduces more bias than chatGPT anyway. do you expect me to write the same introduction to the same subject for the 17th time? Large parts of any paper are redundant

I couldn't agree more! What am I supposed to do with the related work section? Especially after reading many similar works in the field, it is very hard not to be influenced by what you read but you have to make sure not to say the same thing.

Re: Delving into ChatGPT usage in academic writing through excess vocabulary

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Post by utkuumur »

I don't see why many people complaining on this issue. Not everyone mastered English unfortunately. I am especially very weak at writing a paper, and to be honest, find it taxing. I love research but after having results, turning it into a paper is not fun. I edit almost everything important I write like emails and papers with LLMs because even though the content is nice my writing feels very bland and lacks lots of transition. I believe many people do this and actually, this helps you learn over time. However, what you learn is to write like LLMs since basically we are supervised by the LLM.
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