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The City of London which is not part of London (2016)

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Re: The City of London which is not part of London (2016)

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I find the City of London (formerly the Corporation for London) to be fascinating for many reasons.

For one, the exact origins are unknown. the earliest record we have is from 1067 CE with the William Charter [1]. William granted the City rights in exchange for not attacking and the City recognizing him as King, which this article sort of mentions. But the interesting part is that William was simply recognizing the rights of something that already existed. For how long? Nobody knows. It's likely somewhere in the 7th or 8th century when Anglo-Saxons resettled the previously abandoned Roman walled city of Londinium after their departure in 410 CE.

It's also fascinating because it's managed to survive for nearly 1000 yaers since then, largely recognizable from its earlier form although there have been various changes and reforms. There have been efforts to disband it too but obviously they failed.

It also survived uncertain times like the Vikings would cojme along every now and again and burn down London Bridge.

London's development as a financial center goes back to 1066 too and a key part was likely due, at least in part, to the arrival of Jews during William's reign [2].

Why was this important? Well, Jews were prohibited from charging interest to other Jews. Muslims and Christians had similar constraints. But an oddity of Judaism was that Jews could charge interest to non-Jews [3]. This later likely contributed to conspiracy theories about Jews (eg blood libel) and antisemitism.

So ancient civil institutions like the Court of Aldermen still exist and certain rights given to the Freemen of the City of London still exist, like the ancient right to bring sheep in to the City over the bridge [4].

[1]: https://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/things-to-do/history-and-her...

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_England...

[3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loans_and_interest_in_Judaism

[4]: https://www.euronews.com/culture/2022/09/27/unbaalievable-sh...

Re: The City of London which is not part of London (2016)

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I used to live in the City of London at the top end of Chancery Lane. I could therefore be in a different city (City of Westminster) by crossing the street to the west and leave the city entirely by crossing to the north (London Borough of Camden).

I used to live pretty close to the eastern end of the City in Aldgate/Whitechapel. It was pretty cool to go running and cycling around the City during the pandemic lockdowns, with almost no people or cars around. Same with central London: I remember cycling though a completely deserted Leicester Square one day and hearing nothing but birds chirping in the trees!

During lockdown most hotels were closed, I ended up staying near Blackfriars and riding my Brompton to the west end. Very peaceful without so many taxis and vans and even it seemed fewer buses.

But then the city is hardly bustling on a Sunday either.

Re: The City of London which is not part of London (2016)

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I’m probably being overly pedantic but it’s not a secret

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The article you link to is using the 'City of London' to refer to London's financial sector, which is primarily located in the City of London (rather like the use of 'Washington' to refer to the US government). It's not talking about anything shady that the institutions of the City of London itself are doing.

Re: The City of London which is not part of London (2016)

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It’s about 8 square miles - in Manhattan that would be about the area below 42nd street

You can't compare land areas directly. London is twice the size of New York. Population density, land uses, etc. are completely different. For example, only about 140k people [1] live in the London area. Easily 800k live in the Manhattan area, and probably more (population density is higher on the lower half of the island, due to things like Central Park). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_congestion_charge#Pr…

So higher density means fewer cars per person and more reason to have a congestion charge

Re: The City of London which is not part of London (2016)

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I’ve read this exact factoid at least a few hundred times. I’m mostly just amazed that it continues to surprise people.

Obligatory xkcd: 10,000.

I'm glad people are learning a neat new factoid but it really wasn't a secret.

Re: The City of London which is not part of London (2016)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to live pretty close to the eastern end of the City in Aldgate/Whitechapel. It was pretty cool to go running and cycling around the City during the pandemic lockdowns, with almost no people or cars around. Same with central London: I remember cycling though a completely deserted Leicester Square one day and hearing nothing but birds chirping in the trees!

During lockdown most hotels were closed, I ended up staying near Blackfriars and riding my Brompton to the west end. Very peaceful without so many taxis and vans and even it seemed fewer buses. But then the city is hardly bustling on a Sunday either.

I walked through the City as a tourist one Sunday, and didn't realize I couldn't get any kind of lunch at all until I was past it.

(We were recreating Elizabeth I's procession from the Tower to Westminster, which passes through what is now The City.)

Re: The City of London which is not part of London (2016)

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"In fact, the City of London is so independent that it has its own flag, crest, police force, ceremonial armed forces, and a mayor who has a special title, the Right Honorable, the Lord Mayor of London. Oddly enough, if the monarch wants to enter the City of London, she first must ask the Lord Mayor for permission" Are there some books that comprehensively cover several aspects around the City of London? The City of…

Fact checking : the monarch does not have to ask permission to enter the City.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=City_of_London_...

Re: The City of London which is not part of London (2016)

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I find the City of London (formerly the Corporation for London) to be fascinating for many reasons. For one, the exact origins are unknown. the earliest record we have is from 1067 CE with the William Charter [1]. William granted the City rights in exchange for not attacking and the City recognizing him as King, which this article sort of mentions. But the interesting part is that William was simply recognizing the r…

Is there a direct relation or something specific you were going to draw in mentioning the history of the Jews in England and the history and particularities of the City of London? That the Jews performed the interest loans on behalf of and/or within the City of London possibly or something like that?

Re: The City of London which is not part of London (2016)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

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The article you link to is using the 'City of London' to refer to London's financial sector, which is primarily located in the City of London (rather like the use of 'Washington' to refer to the US government). It's not talking about anything shady that the institutions of the City of London itself are doing.

Relevance? I haven't said whether I'm talking about the City of London's government or its financial institutions (as if there's a difference). None of which has to do with "secrecy" which is arguably the relevant topic. On that subject, whether it's the government or the financial institutions or both, if they're engaged in money laundering, which is more likely: They keep those matters secret, or they don't keep those matters secret?

Re: The City of London which is not part of London (2016)

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Also some pretty interesting tax and voting rules there ... Corporations get a vote, pretty much meaning they run the place. https://www.thecollector.com/what-makes-the-city-of-london-u... There's a good book called "treasure islands" all about tax havens... The city definitely features.

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