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TinyLetter shut down by Mailchimp, so I built the letterdrop

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Re: TinyLetter shut down by Mailchimp, so I built the letterdrop

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Post by thibaut_barrere »

nojs wrote: post #11

> This isn't the first time I've faced such an issue, whenever this happens, I lose all my subscribers That does not strike me as believable - do you really not have the list elsewhere, and does every provider who shuts down not give you the option to get your list out?

In the case of TinyLetter, this is what happened to me: I didn't receive any email notifications before the shutdown (I verified multiple times). I reached out to Mailchimp and they deleted everything (https://x.com/thibaut_barrere/status/1771931157564727468).

Am I responsible for backups ultimately? Absolutely. Will I trust Mailchimp in the future for my own projects? Not very likely.

Re: TinyLetter shut down by Mailchimp, so I built the letterdrop

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Post by cuu508 »

altairprime wrote: post #4
gkdktstjtsjfy wrote: post #3

"I used the GPT-4o model to generate the code for LetterDrop. That means the code is generated by the AI model, and I only need to provide the prompts to the model. This approach is very efficient and can save a lot of time. I've also recorded a video to show how to create the LetterDrop project using the GPT-4o model. That also means you can easily customize the code by changing the prompts. You can find the prompts…

> ??????? Please clarify what ??????? means here? You’ll find us willing to hear out your point of view, but first you’ll have to provide it.

The technique for producing the code is so unconventional, the grandparent commenter is unsure if this is a serious attempt, a joke, or a stunt.

Re: TinyLetter shut down by Mailchimp, so I built the letterdrop

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Post by fshbbdssbbgdd »

thibaut_barrere wrote: post #21
nojs wrote: post #11

> This isn't the first time I've faced such an issue, whenever this happens, I lose all my subscribers That does not strike me as believable - do you really not have the list elsewhere, and does every provider who shuts down not give you the option to get your list out?

In the case of TinyLetter, this is what happened to me: I didn't receive any email notifications before the shutdown (I verified multiple times). I reached out to Mailchimp and they deleted everything ( https://x.com/thibaut_barrere/status/1771931157564727468 ). Am I responsible for backups ultimately? Absolutely. Will I trust Mailchimp in the future for my own projects? Not very likely.

Wonder if they really don’t have any retention at all. Maybe it would magically become available if they got a letter from a lawyer.

Re: TinyLetter shut down by Mailchimp, so I built the letterdrop

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Post by portaouflop »

Tomte wrote: post #19
lelandfe wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The courts will be pleased as punch to hear it is that easy /s

The courts have repeatedly ruled on this. Well-known case: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_selfie_copyright_disp...

Ah so all Legal disputes around AI are completely shut and closed cases?

I think it’s rather we have a very small number of reference cases from the past, but since things changed dramatically since then everything is still up in the air

Re: TinyLetter shut down by Mailchimp, so I built the letterdrop

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Post by Tomte »

portaouflop wrote: post #24
Tomte wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The courts have repeatedly ruled on this. Well-known case: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_selfie_copyright_disp...

Ah so all Legal disputes around AI are completely shut and closed cases? I think it’s rather we have a very small number of reference cases from the past, but since things changed dramatically since then everything is still up in the air

No, just the question whether machines can hold copyright is decisively shut and closed, until the laws are changed. Many other questions are debated.

Always fun to see the „AI is special, no rules apply“ crowd.

Re: TinyLetter shut down by Mailchimp, so I built the letterdrop

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Post by gavmor »

khold_stare wrote: post #9
dvt wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think code generation is, generally speaking, pretty awful, but contributing to an LLM prompt is kind of an interesting evolution of software design. With that said, I don't really think it saves a lot of time (the author's Youtube videos[1] are literally like 10+ hours of messing with prompts and copy-pasting code), whereas the product in itself isn't particularly complicated. [1] https://www.youtube.com/playlist?…

And the code is godawful. Just look at this mess for internationalization: https://github.com/i365dev/LetterDrop/blob/main/app%2Fsrc%2F... . The code is unmaintainable by a human - there is a ton of unnecessary duplication, a gigantic html string instead of something like tsx, etc etc. I don't know how the OP can trust this output - I certainly don't.

Wow, CSS in a style tag in a string in try block in an anonymous function all declared right there in index.ts—no units, to say nothing of tests!

Would be a huge nuisance to maintain.

Re: TinyLetter shut down by Mailchimp, so I built the letterdrop

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Post by mvdtnz »

khold_stare wrote: post #9
dvt wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think code generation is, generally speaking, pretty awful, but contributing to an LLM prompt is kind of an interesting evolution of software design. With that said, I don't really think it saves a lot of time (the author's Youtube videos[1] are literally like 10+ hours of messing with prompts and copy-pasting code), whereas the product in itself isn't particularly complicated. [1] https://www.youtube.com/playlist?…

And the code is godawful. Just look at this mess for internationalization: https://github.com/i365dev/LetterDrop/blob/main/app%2Fsrc%2F... . The code is unmaintainable by a human - there is a ton of unnecessary duplication, a gigantic html string instead of something like tsx, etc etc. I don't know how the OP can trust this output - I certainly don't.

Yikes. Best of luck adding a new language or updating your templates without introducing bugs or discrepancies.

Re: TinyLetter shut down by Mailchimp, so I built the letterdrop

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Post by gavmor »

garylkz wrote: post #13
khold_stare wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the code is godawful. Just look at this mess for internationalization: https://github.com/i365dev/LetterDrop/blob/main/app%2Fsrc%2F... . The code is unmaintainable by a human - there is a ton of unnecessary duplication, a gigantic html string instead of something like tsx, etc etc. I don't know how the OP can trust this output - I certainly don't.

Aren't that basically all those web framework that we've been using (except that it's worse and less maintainable)? The code generated is very hard to be maintained by human unless you're very knowledgeable and knows what specific things to change (since generally we only interact on framework level unless there's some specific requirements, like how the author proposed to "modify the prompt" instead of the generated…

At least using a framework like React would expose these HTML blocks to the typechecker.
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