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TinyLetter shut down by Mailchimp, so I built the letterdrop

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Re: TinyLetter shut down by Mailchimp, so I built the letterdrop

#11
> This isn't the first time I've faced such an issue, whenever this happens, I lose all my subscribers

That does not strike me as believable - do you really not have the list elsewhere, and does every provider who shuts down not give you the option to get your list out?

Re: TinyLetter shut down by Mailchimp, so I built the letterdrop

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post #11

> This isn't the first time I've faced such an issue, whenever this happens, I lose all my subscribers That does not strike me as believable - do you really not have the list elsewhere, and does every provider who shuts down not give you the option to get your list out?

That actually sounds very likely.

I've never had an email delivery company return any communication at all once they have decided you're bad. (0% spam report rate, 0.01% bounce rate)

Re: TinyLetter shut down by Mailchimp, so I built the letterdrop

#13
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think code generation is, generally speaking, pretty awful, but contributing to an LLM prompt is kind of an interesting evolution of software design. With that said, I don't really think it saves a lot of time (the author's Youtube videos[1] are literally like 10+ hours of messing with prompts and copy-pasting code), whereas the product in itself isn't particularly complicated. [1] https://www.youtube.com/playlist?…

And the code is godawful. Just look at this mess for internationalization: https://github.com/i365dev/LetterDrop/blob/main/app%2Fsrc%2F... . The code is unmaintainable by a human - there is a ton of unnecessary duplication, a gigantic html string instead of something like tsx, etc etc. I don't know how the OP can trust this output - I certainly don't.

Aren't that basically all those web framework that we've been using (except that it's worse and less maintainable)?

The code generated is very hard to be maintained by human unless you're very knowledgeable and knows what specific things to change (since generally we only interact on framework level unless there's some specific requirements, like how the author proposed to "modify the prompt" instead of the generated code)

That said, I don't think that the so called "prompt based" cough cough engineering is viable at current state, or anytime soon.

Re: TinyLetter shut down by Mailchimp, so I built the letterdrop

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post #11

> This isn't the first time I've faced such an issue, whenever this happens, I lose all my subscribers That does not strike me as believable - do you really not have the list elsewhere, and does every provider who shuts down not give you the option to get your list out?

That actually sounds very likely. I've never had an email delivery company return any communication at all once they have decided you're bad. (0% spam report rate, 0.01% bounce rate)

I think you’re referring to a different event (having an account suspended or banned) than the parent comment, who’s questioning the notion that one wouldn’t have a subscriber list in a CSV or Google Sheet outside of the account, and/or in the event that a service closes up shop, that they would not extend an effort to allow users to export their data.

Re: TinyLetter shut down by Mailchimp, so I built the letterdrop

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That actually sounds very likely. I've never had an email delivery company return any communication at all once they have decided you're bad. (0% spam report rate, 0.01% bounce rate)

I think you’re referring to a different event (having an account suspended or banned) than the parent comment, who’s questioning the notion that one wouldn’t have a subscriber list in a CSV or Google Sheet outside of the account, and/or in the event that a service closes up shop, that they would not extend an effort to allow users to export their data.

It's a general comment on the professionalism of the bulk email delivery industry, namely there is none.

Don't expect them to support a free service they decided to shutdown in anyway.

Re: TinyLetter shut down by Mailchimp, so I built the letterdrop

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post #15

MIT license? If it‘s all ML-generated, then there is no human author and therefore no copyright. It‘s in the public domain, isn‘t it?

The courts will be pleased as punch to hear it is that easy /s

The courts have repeatedly ruled on this. Well-known case: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_selfie_copyright_disp...

Re: TinyLetter shut down by Mailchimp, so I built the letterdrop

#20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you’re referring to a different event (having an account suspended or banned) than the parent comment, who’s questioning the notion that one wouldn’t have a subscriber list in a CSV or Google Sheet outside of the account, and/or in the event that a service closes up shop, that they would not extend an effort to allow users to export their data.

It's a general comment on the professionalism of the bulk email delivery industry, namely there is none. Don't expect them to support a free service they decided to shutdown in anyway.

That's still not answering the question though. I don't know of any bulk email provider who doesn't allow you to export and import your lists via an open format like csv.
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