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Self-driving Waymos secure final clearance for expansion beyond S.F

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Re: Self-driving Waymos secure final clearance for expansion beyond S.F

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Drone operators in Ukraine seem to do fine and besides, I'm talking about having the option, not using it 100% of the time

Surely, it's obvious that Waymo operates in a different safety critical setting? It's a 5000 pound vehicle with pedestrians and other vehicles around it. You can't depend on a network connection to prevent injuries and deaths.

Alphabet has way more money to spend on it than Ukrainians. I was a professional driver in a couple of jobs and as far as I can tell Google Waymo doesn't care about the millions of Americans they want to put out of work, possibly by having cheap foreign labor drive their cars, so you see I can't let it go that easily

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> - Consistently spacious, clean and quiet cars. You know what you'll get. - AC always works and not up to the whim of the driver. How much of the cars being clean, quiet, and having HVAC working is just because it's new? A few years down the line the cars will be old (until they're replaced) and won't be as clean or quiet or have reliable AC. It will probably become like aircraft where they prioritize maintenance of…

> A few years down the line the cars will be old Maybe. Then again, maybe not.

A car that's been around a few years is old by definition.

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We recently started using Waymo more often: - Quality of Lyft and Uber rides have gone down significantly. - Consistently spacious, clean and quiet cars. You know what you'll get. - AC always works and not up to the whim of the driver. - No chatty driver to disturb our sleeping baby. Negatives: - Rides have usually 10% mark up over Lyft and Uber. - Pick up and drop off tend to be a small walk from requested locations…

> You can choose a soothing music play list in the car and it automatically resumes in the next ride Oh wow! There is a non zero chance that was implemented because of some feedback I provided as a trusted tester many months ago. I napped my son in them a lot when they were free and just spent my time thinking up things they should do and reporting them in app.

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Re: Self-driving Waymos secure final clearance for expansion beyond S.F

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Serious preventable accidents happen at 60+ MPH. Generally a slow 20-45 mph (35 mph average) drive around the neighborhood is much safer as there are almost no "serious" accidents. Source: an organization with a fleet installed some driver tracking gps's and looked at the data over a year or two.

Those stats are probably very different for babies, who are more fragile and could get seriously hurt even at lower speeds.

Apparently the NHTSA stats aren't different for babies (likely because babies are usually heavily restrained, and probably brought out in a car less e.g. don't need school runs). Below are some US NHTSA publications with detailed answers, but here's a loose paraphrase a) it's dangerous being a nonoccupant in a driveway: nontraffic backover/backing crashes caused ~460 deaths in 2008 (~300 nontraffic + 160 traffic), see [3]. b) reported fatalities per year age of child seem to be roughly constant, i.e. babies do not exhibit a higher rate of traffic deaths (probably because they're typically restrained in carseats). See [1] p5: Table 1. Passenger Vehicle Occupants Involved in Fatal Traffic Crashes, by Survival Status and Age Group, and Restraint Use, 2021. In fact, the peak is for children passengers 13+ or 15+, not babies. c) (These do not report crash speed, or separate freeway accidents from residential roads (posters here asking about "a drive around the neighborhood"), and you'd expect people would drive babies slightly slower.) NHTSA only separately reports nontraffic accidents (e.g. parking lots). Or non-crash deaths such as hyperthermia.

[1] https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/... "Traffic Safety Facts, 2021 Data, Children, DOT HS 813-456"

Key Findings • Of the 42,939 traffic fatalities in 2021 in the United States, 1,184 (3%) were children 14 and younger. • An estimated 162,298 children were injured in traffic crashes in 2021, a 17-percent increase from 139,058 in 2020. • Of the 26,325 passenger vehicle occupants killed in 2021 in traffic crashes, 863 (3%) were children. Of these 863 child passenger vehicle occupants killed in traffic crashes, restraint use was known for 769, of whom 308 (40%) were unrestrained. • Of the 1,184 children killed in traffic crashes, an estimated 294 (25%) were killed in alcohol-impaired-driving crashes in 2021.

[2] From NHTSA: NCSA (National Center for Statistics and Analysis) Motor Vehicle Traffic Crash Data Resource Page https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/#/

[3] "DOT HS 811 144, November 2008, FATALITIES AND INJURIES IN MOTOR VEHICLE BACKING CRASHES" https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/...

A backover is a crash which occurs when a driver reverses into and injures or kills a nonoccupant such as a pedestrian or a bicyclist. Backovers can occur either on a public roadway or not on a public roadway, i.e., in a driveway or in a parking lot. The former are called traffic backovers and the latter nontraffic backovers. There are also “other backing crashes” that are not backovers, i.e., they do not involve a pedestrian or other nonoccupant, that occur when, for example, a driver backs into a tree or pole or when a driver backs out of a driveway or parking space and is struck by another vehicle. Together, backover crashes and other backing crashes are referred to as backing crashes."

Look at the table on page iv.: Fatalities and Injuries, by Type of Crash, Type of Vehicle

Re: Self-driving Waymos secure final clearance for expansion beyond S.F

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Those stats are probably very different for babies, who are more fragile and could get seriously hurt even at lower speeds.

Where are the stats on infant motor deaths where the baby is secured correctly and car speed is <= 40mph?

I found some NHTSA NCSA stats and posted them above.

- "where the baby is secured correctly" => "Restrained", - car speed is <= 40mph : NHTSA does not separate out accident speed, or separate residential roads from freeways

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> A few years down the line the cars will be old Maybe. Then again, maybe not.

A car that's been around a few years is old by definition.

Hard disagree. A car that has been around for three years is not old.

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Visit Texas where there are 85mph posted limits and people casually do 95.

nothing compared to Italy, Slovenia or Germany haha

You're right! I've driving here as well, but one thing people don't realize is how big Texas is.

Texas vs EU: https://i.redd.it/jlqp9vv8flb31.jpg

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Where are the stats on infant motor deaths where the baby is secured correctly and car speed is <= 40mph?

Most car seats are improperly installed. If you have one, get its installation checked by a professional. In the SF Bay Area, you can have CHP check it for free. The full-time job of the officer that checked ours is investigating accidents where kids in car seats died. Almost all the child fatalities around here are due to improper car seat installation. We had it dangerously wrong. Before the appointment, I read the…

100% this should be mandatory reading for all new parents.

Since you mention only SF, for anyone else who happens to read this, just go to your local Fire Department. They will 100% either know how to secure it for you or guide you to the correct place.

Re: Self-driving Waymos secure final clearance for expansion beyond S.F

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Waymo rides in PHX area were a pleasent surprise. While on our trip, the waymo slammed it's brakes as a precarious event transpired that I'm almost positive if a human was at the wheel, would have resulted in an accident. Very optimistic to see how many lives they can save over the next decade.

Re: Self-driving Waymos secure final clearance for expansion beyond S.F

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> They won’t block traffic like a Lyft/Uber driver might. Wow, then I don't know how they'd ever expand to NYC. In most areas there's no such thing as a "safe place" that doesn't block traffic. If there are sides of the road that aren't traffic (or bicycle) lanes, then they're taken up by parking. Taxis, Ubers, delivery trucks -- literally everything just stops in the street (or bicycle lane) and traffic temporarily…

They'll just have to change the behavior, I assume the current behavior is just out of caution not some technical limit.

It's because it's illegal to double-park.

Everyone in NYC does it because they have to, but Waymo is obeying the law.

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