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How Airbnb Earned Me $20,000 And A Restraining Order From My Landlord

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Re: How Airbnb Earned Me $20,000 And A Restraining Order From My Landlord

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I'm pretty sure I can get "you can't charge other people money to live here" to stick. A no subletting clause is pretty standard where I'm from and it seems to apply here.

In Chicago and iirc San Francisco, landlords are required to accept reasonable subletting arrangements; no-sublet clauses are unenforceable --- but requirements to get the approval of the landlord are.

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Re: How Airbnb Earned Me $20,000 And A Restraining Order From My Landlord

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Read the article, the landlord is getting into AirBnB. Why would the landlord want a middleman in this case?

>Why would the landlord want a middleman in this case? for the reason I stated, someone to look after the place while multiple Airbnb guests come and go. Otherwise you'll need to pay for a cleaner and check the place every time someone stays. That middleman is taking a lot of the pain of managing a property away from the landlord.

You mean kind of like a super?

Has anyone here ever rented?!

Re: How Airbnb Earned Me $20,000 And A Restraining Order From My Landlord

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Attached to the order was a complete printout of my Airbnb listing and all my reviews, included as evidence I had violated clauses in my lease. (Some leases, I have since learned, have evolved specific language prohibiting tenants from listing their pads on vacation-rental sites such as Airbnb.) I don't buy your innocence here. I've been leasing houses for ~10 years now during and after college. The leases have alway…

I don't buy your innocence here. I don't find it that hard to believe that someone would blindly sign a lease after only quickly skimming over the important bits and then never look at it again. I remember one landlord looking quite surprised when I sat in his office and read all 8 pages of the contract, asked for clarifications on a couple of points and asked for one clause to be changed. It seemed to me that she'd…

> I don't find it that hard to believe that someone would blindly sign a lease after only quickly skimming over the important bits and then never look at it again.

I don't find that hard to believe either.

What I find revolting is someone not reading the lease, violating it, then playing the victim.

Re: How Airbnb Earned Me $20,000 And A Restraining Order From My Landlord

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Crazy: I had the same landlord. I drove by his management office on Box Street last week and saw it was turned into a hotel, and now I see the luxury lofts listed on Airbnb. He's not a normal landlord, he's a shark. He owns several dozen buildings, prefers paying fines to getting permission, and once had our whole building manned with thugs to prevent a city agency from entering the building and confirming that he wa…

Out of all the bickering in this entire thread, finally a comment that gives some insight on the other guy. Well done.

Re: How Airbnb Earned Me $20,000 And A Restraining Order From My Landlord

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Attached to the order was a complete printout of my Airbnb listing and all my reviews, included as evidence I had violated clauses in my lease. (Some leases, I have since learned, have evolved specific language prohibiting tenants from listing their pads on vacation-rental sites such as Airbnb.) I don't buy your innocence here. I've been leasing houses for ~10 years now during and after college. The leases have alway…

I don't buy your innocence here. I don't find it that hard to believe that someone would blindly sign a lease after only quickly skimming over the important bits and then never look at it again. I remember one landlord looking quite surprised when I sat in his office and read all 8 pages of the contract, asked for clarifications on a couple of points and asked for one clause to be changed. It seemed to me that she'd…

As a landlord my lease agreement is only 3 pages, and I have always reviewed it with tenants before I allow them to sign it. I review every clause with them and have them initial every page. If they have questions or objections we sometimes modify clauses; we cross out the standard language and write in the new agreement and we both initial the change. It only takes a few extra minutes to review the entire agreement, and I wouldn't want a tenant to sign something that I know they haven't read.

Re: How Airbnb Earned Me $20,000 And A Restraining Order From My Landlord

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Yeah... this is why the San Francisco rental market is a joke. I'm pretty sure the standard SFAA lease is more or less designed to be broken, so that the landlord can toss you out if he needs to (because otherwise the inane rent board regulations would keep him from doing so even in a legitimate situation). On top of that you have landlords who tell you "oh, such and such won't be a problem" even though it says in th…

How would modifying the SFAA lease be legally risky? In the absence of a written lease, the obligations of a tenant to the landlord are to not cause damage to the landlord's property -beyond ordinary wear and tear-, to pay the landlord the agreed-upon rent in a timely manner, and to not interfere with the quiet enjoyment of others tenants in the building. A landlord's obligation to his tenants are to provide a place…

In San Francisco, the Rent Board places additional obligations on the landlord and declares random things legal and enforceable or not legal and not enforceable. (For instance, a recent example: if there are multiple tenants in the apartment and their rooms are the same, they may not split the rent unequally. it must be split proportionally. so decreeth the rent board.)

The SFAA lease contains things that are... battle-tested.

If you're a tenant, it's not your problem, but if you're a landlord, you probably don't want to be one of those guys who ends up with a tenant that's impossible to get rid of, stays in the apartment forever, and pays half of what you could get if you could legally rent the apartment to someone else (which you can't).

Re: How Airbnb Earned Me $20,000 And A Restraining Order From My Landlord

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Again and again, people who use Airbnb to 'hack' the rental market get little sympathy from me when the chickens come to roost. If your landlord was interested in running a tenement home/boarding house/hotel, they wouldn't sign you into a year-long lease. Also, and I know this has been hashed out before on these comment threads but he's grossing $30k a year on the back of his landlord. The landlord has every right to…

On the back of his landlord, really? "On the back" of a rentiering parasite?

Re: How Airbnb Earned Me $20,000 And A Restraining Order From My Landlord

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Again and again, people who use Airbnb to 'hack' the rental market get little sympathy from me when the chickens come to roost. If your landlord was interested in running a tenement home/boarding house/hotel, they wouldn't sign you into a year-long lease. Also, and I know this has been hashed out before on these comment threads but he's grossing $30k a year on the back of his landlord. The landlord has every right to…

On the back of his landlord, really? "On the back" of a rentiering parasite?

    So, naturalists observe, a flea.  
    Hath smaller fleas that on him prey; 
    And these have smaller still to bite 'em; 
    And so proceed ad infinitum. 
        -- Jonathan Swift

Re: How Airbnb Earned Me $20,000 And A Restraining Order From My Landlord

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So is Couchsurfing the bittorrent of lodging? Sometimes capitalism gets in the way of distributing goods and services. Usually when people try to decide what other people shouldn't and shouldn't do with things they sell to them.

I agree, but unlike the weird ownership issues that come with, say, copyrights and boxed software, this is a case where I quite literally still own something, and I'm letting someone use it for a fee. Laws put all kinds of restrictions on me, but some decisions on how my property is used still stay mine.

Let's be frank: landlording has never been socially productive. All the actual services provided by a landlord can be provided by a homeowners' association in a condo or cooperative building. It's really just a class division, an issue of bad public policy, and an issue of the balance of local housing markets between renting apartments, buying condos, and buying houses.

Re: How Airbnb Earned Me $20,000 And A Restraining Order From My Landlord

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So he's: 1. Violated his lease. 2. Documented exactly how much income he received during that violation. 3. Probably thew up some red flags to ensure the IRS double-checks that he declares that income on his tax returns. And all of this before he finds out what the courts have to say about his actions.

I do wonder just how much Airbnb income isn't declared for tax purposes.

I wonder how many home owners renting through AirBnB properly report commercial use of their home to the property appraiser for homestead exemption purposes. My guess is zero.
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