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Can men live without war? (1956)

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Re: Can men live without war? (1956)

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post #13

No we cannot. A small percentage of humans are wired with a strong territorial mind and/or a greedy personality. It's in the gene. Some of them eventually become leaders.

I don't know about you guys, but I think my masculinity is strong enough to survive the lack of war. I'm just not feeling threatened, here.

very admirable. prepare to be invaded.

Re: Can men live without war? (1956)

#32
post #23

The thing is without force your stuff gets taken. We haven't got a good way around this. Our current peace is heavily based on nuclear weapons and the implied threat of force. Don't like the status quo? Use force to try to change it. Do like the status quo? Use force to try to keep it that way. We don't have a stable equiliubrium where no force exists in the system. Many in this thread effectively say "You can do wha…

You have a nice theory there, would be a shame if something happened to it.

I played this older computer civilization-like space game. In it, there was an hyperaggressive race that always went to war with everybody. They always died out first.

I think conflict will always exist, but violence? I am not sure. I think it comes down to availability of information. People don't like a*holes. Once world becomes a global village, and almost everyone will run a SW on their phone that keeps tabs on other 8 billion people, starting a war will become nearly impossible.

Re: Can men live without war? (1956)

#33
post #14

In an ideal future, firearms would be banned worldwide. A body like interpol would investigate the entire world, to surveil if anybody is trying to make firearms. People would make bows and spears, but it would be more difficult to conduct war. It would not make war and violence impossible, but it would certainly be a better world. EDIT: lots of pedants: obviously there would be an joint army answering to an internat…

It would certainly be more interesting conducting war with semi auto potato cannons

Re: Can men live without war? (1956)

#34
post #17

Mergers and acquisitions have taken the place of war in the modern era.

Quite an odd comment to make in the midst of the Ukraine war, another war between Israel and Palestine, and the ongoing civil wars in Sudan and Burma.

it's all relative. the order of operations is M&A, diplomacy, warfare.

Re: Can men live without war? (1956)

#35
post #23

The thing is without force your stuff gets taken. We haven't got a good way around this. Our current peace is heavily based on nuclear weapons and the implied threat of force. Don't like the status quo? Use force to try to change it. Do like the status quo? Use force to try to keep it that way. We don't have a stable equiliubrium where no force exists in the system. Many in this thread effectively say "You can do wha…

Why doesn't Texas wage war on Oklahoma?

Re: Can men live without war? (1956)

#36
post #35
post #23

The thing is without force your stuff gets taken. We haven't got a good way around this. Our current peace is heavily based on nuclear weapons and the implied threat of force. Don't like the status quo? Use force to try to change it. Do like the status quo? Use force to try to keep it that way. We don't have a stable equiliubrium where no force exists in the system. Many in this thread effectively say "You can do wha…

Why doesn't Texas wage war on Oklahoma?

There is enough stuff (goods) in both Texas and Oklahoma where going to war would make people there worse off.

If I can go to war with Oklahoma and get a 2nd/3rd car, when I already own a car, why would I risk losing my life? I can't drive 2 cars at once.

Re: Can men live without war? (1956)

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post #35
post #23

The thing is without force your stuff gets taken. We haven't got a good way around this. Our current peace is heavily based on nuclear weapons and the implied threat of force. Don't like the status quo? Use force to try to change it. Do like the status quo? Use force to try to keep it that way. We don't have a stable equiliubrium where no force exists in the system. Many in this thread effectively say "You can do wha…

Why doesn't Texas wage war on Oklahoma?

Texas tried waging war on other states before, and they were stopped by the Federal government wielding superior force.

You know that guy on five dollar bills? He was involved.

Re: Can men live without war? (1956)

#38
post #32
post #23

The thing is without force your stuff gets taken. We haven't got a good way around this. Our current peace is heavily based on nuclear weapons and the implied threat of force. Don't like the status quo? Use force to try to change it. Do like the status quo? Use force to try to keep it that way. We don't have a stable equiliubrium where no force exists in the system. Many in this thread effectively say "You can do wha…

You have a nice theory there, would be a shame if something happened to it. I played this older computer civilization-like space game. In it, there was an hyperaggressive race that always went to war with everybody. They always died out first. I think conflict will always exist, but violence? I am not sure. I think it comes down to availability of information. People don't like a*holes. Once world becomes a global vi…

If Rebel Moon and the Demolition Man taught us anything, is that even when 8bn people will be spied upon, there will be some that will object this and fight it tooth and nail.

(Oh and History teaches that)

Re: Can men live without war? (1956)

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post #23

The thing is without force your stuff gets taken. We haven't got a good way around this. Our current peace is heavily based on nuclear weapons and the implied threat of force. Don't like the status quo? Use force to try to change it. Do like the status quo? Use force to try to keep it that way. We don't have a stable equiliubrium where no force exists in the system. Many in this thread effectively say "You can do wha…

> and land get taken.

It's always land. This is because land is scarce. You can keep things that aren't scarce without force.

> Is there any convincing argument for getting out of this equilibrium?

The total destruction of artificial scarcity?

Re: Can men live without war? (1956)

#40

No we cannot. A small percentage of humans are wired with a strong territorial mind and/or a greedy personality. It's in the gene. Some of them eventually become leaders.

Evolution suggests that genes with no strong survival benefit are eventually discarded.
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