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Re: Barcelona will eliminate tourist apartments

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Nice kitchens, laundry machines in the apartment, comfortable living rooms, access to attached outdoor space, and accommodations for larger parties traveling together are very difficult for hotels to compete with.

A suite hotel like a Residence Inn has a lot of that. Doesn't replace a whole house rental at the beach and probably doesn't have as many bedrooms. But it's pretty reasonable for a lot of purposes.

They’re not very common unfortunately

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Tourism is a shit industry. You could mostly annihilate it and replace it with productive things most of the time.

> Tourism is a shit industry. You could mostly annihilate it and replace it with productive things most of the time. That's a bold statement, as if the whole world invests in tourism because they don't know better. Spain's tourism sector represents a double-digit chunk of their GDP and is one of the rare sectors which has a direct effect in reducing unemployment, specially in the low-skilled, NEET cohort which is ext…

The world once had very little to no tourism and it worked just fine. It’s not essential to civilisation, and conceivably you could ban it with no major effects.

I’m not saying it’s a good idea to ban it. But tourism is anything but essential.

Sure the Spanish economy benefits from it right now but over reliance on it, as I explained above, can be a bad thing.

Re: Barcelona will eliminate tourist apartments

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The pay in tourism is terrible, usually minimum wage, except for the owners of capital, who gain enormous returns on investing in hotels / airbnbs / tourist aimed businesses. That means it has an awful return for the ones most in need which are the poor. It’s not a distributive industry. On top of that, it can cause a “resource curse” type phenomenon where great beaches or some other attraction causes enormous amount…

Tourist gives you such great returns on investment it doesn’t make sense to do anything else if you have capital Yep, I'm considering buying a vacation home to Airbnb for this reason. I have mixed feelings about it though, because I don't want to be part of the problem. But I live in NYC and I can't move (shared custody), nor can I buy a suitable home in the city, meanwhile the national housing market is exploding. I…

I can’t blame you. Sometimes we know our individual choice is suboptimal but the system in place gives us no option.

I would keep looking. If you feel like it’s an ethically compromised decision, perhaps you’ll have a hard time to live with it in the end.

Re: Barcelona will eliminate tourist apartments

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Tourism is a shit industry. You could mostly annihilate it and replace it with productive things most of the time.

Tourism has its uses, and is a service industry like most modern country industries including most "productive" ones.

Absolutely. I just don’t think that it should be more than 10% or so of an economy.

Any time I’ve visited a place where tourism was a larger industry, it felt the place had became a parody, a Disneyland type version of what once was there.

Re: Barcelona will eliminate tourist apartments

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Honest question: does this work? It seems to me that this change will have unintended effects and will fail to produce the desired results. AFAIK rent in NYC hasn’t gone down since they changed their short-term rental regulations. I might be naive, but I’d assume that the solution is to build more housing to increase the supply instead of curbing the demand? Genuinely curious about others’ takes on this.

Where in Barcelona would you increase density? https://worldpopulationreview.com/world-cities/barcelona-pop... from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40752920 ("Barcelona has a 16,000 people per square km density - that’s already one of the highest in Europe.") Capital moves faster than meat space. To defend the human (affordable housing), you have to regulate. The whole "just build more, I want my AirBnB" argumen…

> "Barcelona has a 16,000 people per square km density - that’s already one of the highest in Europe."

In Yonghe (a suburb of Taipei), the population density is over 38,000/sqkm.

They don't ban AirBnB apartments and renting a normal lease there, I was paying about $300 USD/month for rent until 2022, when I moved to LA.

Re: Barcelona will eliminate tourist apartments

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> Too much of the wrong tourism in the wrong area of the city can be a negative thing for living quality, for life outside touristic seasons, for the general development of neighborhoods etc. If that was really a concern, cities like Barcelona would be railing against hostels and would impose a higher baseline for tourist taxes to eliminate the economic feasibility of projects catering to low-cost party tourism.

Well yes and no. Cities do have hostels and hotels under control by their ability to give or deny permits. If everybody can turn their private flat into an tourist rental just by signing up to an online platform that is no longer the case. Suddenly what was zoned as residental turns into tourism. Surely there are multiple ways ro tackle that, e.g. one could require permits for those as well, but I didn't defend the m…

> If everybody can turn their private flat into an tourist rental just by signing up to an online platform that is no longer the case.

In Barcelona, making apartments available as short-term rentals involves the exact same type of reglatio that hostels need to go through to operate.

If AirBnB is suddenly deemed a problem in spite of the absolute lack of evidence, in the very least regular horeca businesses are more to blame.

Re: Barcelona will eliminate tourist apartments

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Well, living near and airport or railroad is priced in, and not really a problem. Chemical plants... A bit of a stretch, isn't it?

I lived a few miles away from the Texas City plant, growing up. A good, stiff, wind, and a penchant for rhinoviruses can solve a lot of chemical-plant-related issues.

what does this even mean?

Re: Barcelona will eliminate tourist apartments

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> The math don't math. It's a drop in the bucket. The entire impact of AirBnB + all housing built in the last decade does not offset the last half decade of population growth. The population growth is largely due to rich foreigners moving into the city: "I was born and raised in Barcelona, no longer live there however. I didn't remember how bad it was until I went to visit my family last summer. Me and some friends w…

This furthers my thesis that anti-tourism is basically just a dogwhistle/socially acceptable channel for their xenophobia.

If you ever go to Barcelona, you will see slogans like "tourists go home, immigrants welcome" written everywhere.

Re: Barcelona will eliminate tourist apartments

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Honest question: does this work? It seems to me that this change will have unintended effects and will fail to produce the desired results. AFAIK rent in NYC hasn’t gone down since they changed their short-term rental regulations. I might be naive, but I’d assume that the solution is to build more housing to increase the supply instead of curbing the demand? Genuinely curious about others’ takes on this.

It would work, but it also requires curbing the extra demand that is generated by foreigners moving into the city and scooping up the housing from the locals. > I might be naive, but I’d assume that the solution is to build more housing to increase the supply instead of curbing the demand? Spain is not the US. Neither Spain nor any other Mediterranean country has large surface area that could accommodate housing dema…

>solely Texas is larger than ENTIRE Western Europe

Definitely not, Texas is ~700,000 km2 while Spain is ~500,000 km2.

Re: Barcelona will eliminate tourist apartments

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Anyone knows how much of Barcelona’s municipal revenue is originated from tourists directly and indirectly?

Non-Spaniards always overestimate the importance of tourism in Barcelona.

3.9% of Barcelona's GDP in 2022.

Source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1346730/tourism-contribu...

5.4% of Catalonia's GDP in 2022.

Source: https://economia.gencat.cat/web/.content/70_economia_catalan...

11.6% of Spain's GDP in 2022.

Source: https://www.bde.es/f/webbe/GAP/Secciones/SalaPrensa/Interven...

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