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Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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Re: Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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Ahhh we forgot about the music dark ages when piracy meant artists couldn't make a living from their art and music died completely

Most musicians don't make a living from their art, they work day jobs. That doesn't mean piracy is the only factor or a strong one, but it's part of the equation.

Re: Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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Oh this appeal to the public, pithy empty words about openness and shit. Here's the plain truth: IA ran a gigantic book piracy site during covid. They should've known they won't get away with it. I remember several authors begging them not to do this because it affected their income. I personally thought it monumentally stupid to put the Wayback Machine at risk. They said, there are enough physical books in closed li…

The best part had to be the whole moral grandstanding they had when doing it. Controlled digital lending was tolerated. It was never legal. I can't buy a bunch of DVDs and start a streaming service even if a each copy can only be watched by a single person at a time. It really sucks since they do a lot of good work aside from this.

> Controlled digital lending was tolerated.

The comments here about the lawsuit not being about the Emergency Library completely are technically true, but ignore this sentence. IA poked the bear with it's brazen actions.

> It was never legal.

Before this lawsuit, we weren't sure about this, but by provoking the lawsuit, we've forced the courts to make this decision.

Re: Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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Many many authors publish work freely, now more than ever. Without monetary reward. Here's a tiny tip of the massive iceberg https://independentbookreview.com/2020/07/30/10-free-literar...

Meanwhile the publishing houses (John Wiley & Sons) are putting out LLM generated garbage: https://zbmath.org/1532.68005

Re: Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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There is no greater folly of contemporary human society than the purposeful restriction of such vast and easily shareable repositories of knowledge. Perhaps these schemes made sense in the past but with the advent of the internet and independent groups willing to fund all hosting fees, we should move to models of publishing that do not require this restriction of information. Library genesis exists but necessarily mu…

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"One solution to this complicated problem is to require simultaneous, complete cooperation from everyone in a way that costs everybody money! This wild solution I came up with isn't workable, therefore there is no possible solution to this problem!"

Re: Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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Many many authors publish work freely, now more than ever. Without monetary reward. Here's a tiny tip of the massive iceberg https://independentbookreview.com/2020/07/30/10-free-literar...

Many is not a number.

Is any word a number?

Re: Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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There is no greater folly of contemporary human society than the purposeful restriction of such vast and easily shareable repositories of knowledge. Perhaps these schemes made sense in the past but with the advent of the internet and independent groups willing to fund all hosting fees, we should move to models of publishing that do not require this restriction of information. Library genesis exists but necessarily mu…

I believe in hundreds, maybe thousands of years, after humanity has finally evolved past our current monkey mentality, future historians will look back at this time period in awe: "They had the technology to make the sum of all human knowledge available to everyone... And they blew it! Further, they had the means to feed everyone, clothe everyone, house everyone, but they just walked away in the other direction, pure…

Europeans and Americans are now taxing green technology, which they said in the past they want, because it is built in another country...

Re: Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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Of all the things to juxtapose as a contrast to communism and the failures of an overbearing government mucking too much in natural market forces you pick copyright ?!

Yeah, copyright is a government enforced monopoly. Basically the definition of socialist government intervention in the free market. IA can produce copies for much cheaper, but the government doesn’t allow them to compete, because they want publishers to operate a welfare program for writers.

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Many is not a number.

Is any word a number?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numeral_(linguistics)

I'm not sure what your point was, but mine is that it doesn't necessarily represent a significant amount.

Re: Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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I think it’s pretty clear I am not saying “there outta be a way to give books away” which would be a very stupid thing for me to say. I’m saying we should legalize the giving away of all books, but must rearrange society to ensure authors and all people still have the support the previously got from the existing system. Engaging only with the stupid point I didn’t make is a waste of time honestly and is seriously mis…

> I’m saying we should legalize the giving away of all books, but must rearrange society to ensure authors and all people still have the support the previously got from the existing system. There’s no way to implement this without taking away the freedoms of the author to choose how to distribute the fruits of his labor. Just because you think the world would be a better place if they all did that does not mean it’s…

In practice, almost no author gets to choose how the fruits of their labor are distributed. Their rights are gobbled up immediately by one of the big publishers, who then dispose of their captive intellectual property as they see fit.
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