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Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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Re: Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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Post by wrs »

TylerE wrote: post #7
a1o wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was through lending, this was due to a change of policy of lending during COVID-19 to ease access

It lending done flagrantly in violation of the licensing. They were taking a copy licensed to be lent ONCE and giving it to thousands of people at once.

You’re confusing the COVID “emergency lending” period (which was highly dubious, I agree) with their normal lending system. They track borrows against physical copies of the books stored in their warehouse. Typically you can only borrow a book for one hour before having to renew in the viewer.

Re: Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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Post by wrs »

TylerE wrote: post #10
ladidahh wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

their lending scheme is timed by hour with the option to renew with some restraints, it is not lending to thousands at once

Then why did they just get their ass royally handed to them in court?

Because they didn’t pay publishers for separate “ebook” licenses.

Re: Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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Post by crest »

ranger_danger wrote: post #5
TylerE wrote: post #2

They should fire what even nitwit thought this obviously illegal plan was a good idea in the first place. The fallout will likely tank the entire archive in the long term.

90% of the "archive" is just mass piracy anyway

>95% of the Internet Archive is a useful service to society even if it pisses of a few companies. It should be legal even if they sometimes act as "holy fools".

Re: Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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Post by Sakos »

TylerE wrote: post #10
ladidahh wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

their lending scheme is timed by hour with the option to renew with some restraints, it is not lending to thousands at once

Then why did they just get their ass royally handed to them in court?

Because the justice and political systems, particularly in regards to copyright, are deeply corrupt.

Re: Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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Post by dylan604 »

TylerE wrote: post #2

They should fire what even nitwit thought this obviously illegal plan was a good idea in the first place. The fallout will likely tank the entire archive in the long term.

Yeah, it's like these people are Google to be able to get away with this. If you're going to do it, it better be for a self benefiting reason, and damn well better not be for the good of all man kind. This is capitalist society and not some sort of benevolent society. What kind of moron would think that would ever be a good idea? /s

Re: Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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Post by lukasb »

TylerE wrote: post #10
ladidahh wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

their lending scheme is timed by hour with the option to renew with some restraints, it is not lending to thousands at once

Then why did they just get their ass royally handed to them in court?

Because publishers are assholes.

Re: Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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Post by jachee »

TylerE wrote: post #10
ladidahh wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

their lending scheme is timed by hour with the option to renew with some restraints, it is not lending to thousands at once

Then why did they just get their ass royally handed to them in court?

Because billion-dollar capitalist rent-seeking bullies got their panties in a wad and threatened to bankrupt them with legal fees that the bullies wouldn’t even feel if they lost. And the archive is just a non-profit that were offering a not-for-profit service for the betterment of society, with literally zero actual negative consequences.

Re: Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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Post by jrmg »

TylerE wrote: post #10
ladidahh wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

their lending scheme is timed by hour with the option to renew with some restraints, it is not lending to thousands at once

Then why did they just get their ass royally handed to them in court?

Serious answer: it was judged that the act of scanning and delivering the book was ‘copying’ it - which copyright laws say they need permission to do. The whole ‘we only let one person at a time read it’ thing was deemed to be irrelevant.

Note that I’m not commenting on whether a reasonable person would also interpret copyright law this way, or on whether the laws are fair, just what the judgment was.

Re: Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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Post by mike_d »

jesprenj wrote: post #8

Is there a communuty project that maintains a copy of the 500k books? Is there a libgen torrent or anna's archive torrent?

https://libgen.is/repository_torrent/

If you are upset about this, commit to seeding as many of these as you can until the IA service is restored.

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