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Barcelona will eliminate tourist apartments

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Re: Barcelona will eliminate tourist apartments

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Post by TacticalCoder »

diggan wrote: post #226
JackYoustra wrote: post #19

People will do literally anything over building enough housing to make everyone happy

Barcelona can basically not grow horizontally anymore, being blocked in from all sides and all the ground is already covered by something . So the alternative is to build vertically, but that also comes with trade-offs as the streets get less sun and city dwellers will be able to see less sky. People on the internet will do anything but read before spouting their obvious solutions on the internet.

> So the alternative is to buy vertically...

And the superblocks in Barcelona are already quite high and suffocating.

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Post by bsder »

jupp0r wrote: post #190
toomuchtodo wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hotels go through an approval process to be built, and are regulated (where as AirBnB exists to skirt lodging regulation). Hotels are not competing against residential housing, but AirBnB is.

Of course hotels are competing against residential housing. They take up land that could be used for residential housing instead.

Outside of downtown areas in the biggest cities in the US, it is very unlikely that a hotel is built in an area that people would want to build residential housing.

Normally hotels are built near either business or tourist areas. Very few people want their residences in the suburban office park areas. Tourist areas tend to be older areas that have strong restrictions on new development--hotels there have to go through long permitting processes.

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Post by thrwwyfrobvrsns »

distances wrote: post #184
JackYoustra wrote: post #19

People will do literally anything over building enough housing to make everyone happy

Helsinki is currently an interesting case, technically having oversupply of apartments. It's because the rising interest rates cratered the buyers' budgets -- the result is a mild downward trend in prices, definitely no crash. Building companies sit on a large supply on finished unsold apartments but steadfastly refuse to lower prices even a bit. New construction has halted completely. Seems like the construction sec…

Government should build housing and sell it at a modest loss. The markets are overheated and can do with some cooling. Too bad for anyone using property values as collateral for arcane financial schemes, should have managed your risk better.

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Post by thrwwyfrobvrsns »

happytoexplain wrote: post #188
JackYoustra wrote: post #19

People will do literally anything over building enough housing to make everyone happy

That would be a paradox. It's not just housing-as-investment people who would be unhappy with increasingly dense housing/population - overdevelopment can sometimes ruin your home. The difficulty in developing in desirable areas isn't just due to a minority of rich assholes protecting their investments.

RIP your subjective comfort, long live someone else's ability to be within 4 warm, permanent walls when the temperature drops below freezing.

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Post by mutatio »

sangnoir wrote: post #149
lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It still doesn't exactly look great that they "just" need ~45 years of house production to have happened yesterday.

The Airbnb measure fixed a quarter of the problem. That is huge by most standards

But it's a one time event. What comes next and what if there are negative externalities?

It feels like a land grab, the real failure here is a lack of construction, and that isn't the fault of people renting via Airbnb.

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Post by lostlogin »

voisin wrote: post #187
lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It still doesn't exactly look great that they "just" need ~45 years of house production to have happened yesterday.

Classic governments, failing to do the right thing for decades and then blaming something that makes up a tiny part of the problem to shift blame.

A government making a regulation that helps the its constituents seems like what it should be doing.

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Post by nmeofthestate »

GenerWork wrote: post #163
t43562 wrote: post #141

Airbnb has made it unnecessary to have friends in city X who will gladly let you couch surf - because lets face it: hotels are a prohibitive rip off. Hotel owners must hate it. To me it seems much more likely that this is the reason for such bans because in housing terms the number of Airbnb properties seems far too small to make a difference.

Don't worry, at least here in the US the ridiculous fees that are being charged by homeowners are making hotels seems worth it again, no legislation required.

We looked at hotels for a recent Italy holiday but they were a good bit pricier and in worse locations. Good locations were wayyy more expensive than an apartment. The Airbnb we went with was pretty nice, and I much prefer the experience of an apartment to a hotel room anyway. I haven't holidayed in a hotel pretty much ever, come to think of it.

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Post by lostlogin »

eesmith wrote: post #127
popcalc wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Go to Kuwait, everyone, even commoners host their maids and cooks in their main residences. Maybe we'll see a mainstream return to these arrangements in the States.

Your "everyone" does not seem to include the maids and cooks, almost as if you consider them nobodies.

Modern slavery comes to mind.
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