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Just make the law also apply to gun websites and watch it disappear.
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Whether that solves it just depends on who you're worried about having your data. Something like OpenID would keep your identifying data away from PornHub but it would allow the OpenID provider know when you visit PornHub. For PornHub that also gives other companies, the OpenID providers, the power to censor PornHub but refusing to verify age or identity.
Verifiable Credentials can be used in place of OpenID to allow a user to make verifiable attestations about themselves without the authority having to be present. It would still have many of the same flaws as OpenID, but at least you accessing a site wouldnt notify the authority.
Maybe " verifiable credentials" is the keyword I was missing. Thanks!
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I find age restrictions to be good public policy in general if-and-only-if the target of the restriction has a clear cost that is shared socially. Abuse of tobacco products and alcohol has a clear link to medical health care and the government is responsible to fund health care. The link between tobacco and cancer is an established fact. Alcohol has a more fuzzy link with poor health, but I suspect it get less fuzzy regarding children.
The research that links porn and health is very much in dispute, similar to research that links violent movies and crime. At best it is inconclusive. Some countries has age restrictions on movies, others do not. There is also research on violent music and crime, violent games and crime, and the quality of all the research seems to be beyond poor. I do not think its good policy at all to construct laws using those.
My conclusion is that governments should not make laws without having good ground to stand on. Until the quality of the research improve I find it better to let parents and schools determine when a specific child is mature enough to view specific media, be that movies, music, games, porn, or any other media.
Just make the law also apply to gun websites and watch it disappear.
I will never understand American culture. Titty visible - bad, dead schoolkids - ok. In many ways the country is spiralling into Gliead-esqe state from Handsmaid Tales and I can't stop watching it.
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Setting aside the feasibility of an amendment and whether an administration would follow it, even just the ability to say yea or nay to anyone accessing information is chilling.
The government is not saying yea or nay, they are just providing proof of age or identity (not necessarily both, whatever the vendor website asks for, and the person allows). Suppose I want to start a business where I don’t want the liability of having to deal with all the laws about minors. Then I can use the government API to only allow people over whatever age.
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I am going to make an interpretation that you think age restrictions are good public policy in general, and asking why others disagree. In the edit you say that "we all appear to agree that age verification is an acceptable goal", but I would disagree with that. I find age restrictions to be good public policy in general if-and-only-if the target of the restriction has a clear cost that is shared socially. Abuse of t…
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The government is not saying yea or nay, they are just providing proof of age or identity (not necessarily both, whatever the vendor website asks for, and the person allows). Suppose I want to start a business where I don’t want the liability of having to deal with all the laws about minors. Then I can use the government API to only allow people over whatever age.
That's the intent of course, but it's just as easy to refuse to verify age for certain endpoints or provide incorrect verification. I'm trying to think how an authoritarian government would use this.
That is not a reason for the government to not do something. We entrust them with nuclear weapons and aircraft carriers. Not to mention Snowden already proved the government has back doors into all the big tech companies, so it’s already not a secret who is visiting what website. And FISA courts and secret warrants under gag order and blah blah.
It’s just inconvenient for everyone.
On the client: The typical parental controls situation with a blocklist. Responsible adult sites could send an HTTP header like X-Adult-Content or something to ensure they would be blocked by clients with the controls on. This could be enforced by regulation, with devices for children required to respect that header in addition to shipping with a blocklist. This couldn't be bypassed with something like a VPN (which you probably couldn't install with parental controls on anyway), because it would be baked into the client.
In the network: Similar blocklist style situation - this already exists to a certain extent in some countries. Mobile phone providers and ISPs would be required to block adult content (via dns or similar) by default, with a toggle to switch it off available to the adult account owner. We already block illegal content this way.
On the server side: This requires adult websites to be cooperative, which they will only be if they care about the jurisdiction in question. This potentially pushes kids/others to access sketchier sites which wouldn't be blocked.
I am strongly for pushing this down the stack to the client. I don't have kids, but I'm pretty sure iOS and Android as well as MacOS and Windows all have robust parental control systems. I'm sure people use them, and we can safely encourage people to use them more. If they aren't on by default already for children, they could be.
Short of biometric verification with presence detection I don't see how it's possible to do remote age verification in a good enough way that you couldn't just use an adult's credit card or device to bypass it.
Anyone who knows anything about tech knows this is just a wedge issue, and people aren't interested in solutions to the actual problem of kids accessing inappropriate material, only soundbites.
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It's the whole of the EU, it's the new EU ID card standard, with biometrics and NFC on the card itself. I'm not aware of any large scale user implementations of the protocol though (people have been getting compatible ID cards for years, but I don't know any software that uses them outside of probably cigarette vending machines in Spain). Do you know any?
> I'm not aware of any large scale user implementations of the protocol though (people have been getting compatible ID cards for years, but I don't know any software that uses them outside of probably cigarette vending machines in Spain). Do you know any? I don't know if that's what you're talking about but, in Belgium for example, to fill taxes online and to do various other types of pointless administratrivia you m…
The standard is ICAO 8303 for how the data structures work. It's the same as ePassports. EU cards implement EAC for the fingerprints, which has a whole mutual auth PKI system.