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Pornhub prepares to block five more states rather than check IDs

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Re: Pornhub prepares to block five more states rather than check IDs

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Is there a way to prove your age without being identified/logging in? Surely some kind of OpenID style protocol can be invented for this with zero knowledge of personal information ending up with pornhub or which sites were being given age verification?

Someone would have to gather that data. It's not like a password that can be detached from physical reality. Your date of birth is somewhat inherent to your identity.

Re: Pornhub prepares to block five more states rather than check IDs

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Is there a way to prove your age without being identified/logging in? Surely some kind of OpenID style protocol can be invented for this with zero knowledge of personal information ending up with pornhub or which sites were being given age verification?

Sure, a digital signature from an authority would do it. Similar to how HTTPS CAs verify that people really own domains and issue signed certificates.

Re: Pornhub prepares to block five more states rather than check IDs

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Is there a way to prove your age without being identified/logging in? Surely some kind of OpenID style protocol can be invented for this with zero knowledge of personal information ending up with pornhub or which sites were being given age verification?

I think German id cards already support a zero-knowledge proof of age.

Re: Pornhub prepares to block five more states rather than check IDs

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Strawman. PornHub doesn't argue against age verification, it criticizes the poorly designed implementation. Showing my ID at the liquor store to buy alcohol is not comparable to having to put my ID and PII in a poorly secured database. Databases that get breached again and again with virtually no consequences for the owner.

Do you really think they give a damn about privacy? If they care so much about privacy, wouldn’t they also be proclaiming how their website doesn’t track you and gobble identifying data? Or is it they are just hiding behind that argument because it sounds noble and their real concern is a business one?

Also, how secure do you think the state systems are that provide those ID’s?

Re: Pornhub prepares to block five more states rather than check IDs

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Is there a way to prove your age without being identified/logging in? Surely some kind of OpenID style protocol can be invented for this with zero knowledge of personal information ending up with pornhub or which sites were being given age verification?

Yes. Apple has the tech already with their digital driver's license initiative. It's probably more secure at stopping kids from accessing porn because it involves the on device FaceID authentication of the ID holder and could be verified and attested to each session vs just punching in a DL or CC number.

You're still trusting apple. It's all fun and games, until it isn't.

Apple is what it is today, might not be the same Apple tomorrow.

Re: Pornhub prepares to block five more states rather than check IDs

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Is there a way to prove your age without being identified/logging in? Surely some kind of OpenID style protocol can be invented for this with zero knowledge of personal information ending up with pornhub or which sites were being given age verification?

Sure, a digital signature from an authority would do it. Similar to how HTTPS CAs verify that people really own domains and issue signed certificates.

The problem is that authority would be central, and that authority would know who you are. I think the questioner was looking for solutions that have no authority. Least of all centralized authority.

Re: Pornhub prepares to block five more states rather than check IDs

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Strawman. PornHub doesn't argue against age verification, it criticizes the poorly designed implementation. Showing my ID at the liquor store to buy alcohol is not comparable to having to put my ID and PII in a poorly secured database. Databases that get breached again and again with virtually no consequences for the owner.

Sadly this is a feature not a bug for the lawmakers who wrote the laws. They want databases of PII to be breached in order for porn consumers to be publicly named and shamed without the political blowback or getting their hands dirty.

The first thing that would happen is that the breach would be scoured for politicians names. They’d be just as vulnerable to this kind of blow back.

Re: Pornhub prepares to block five more states rather than check IDs

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Is there a way to prove your age without being identified/logging in? Surely some kind of OpenID style protocol can be invented for this with zero knowledge of personal information ending up with pornhub or which sites were being given age verification?

In the US, DMVs could issue IDs with Common Access Card support, a cheap and widely available digital system used by the DoD.

Wouldn’t it be nice if we knew we were interacting with a real person and not a chat bot?

Re: Pornhub prepares to block five more states rather than check IDs

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Strawman. PornHub doesn't argue against age verification, it criticizes the poorly designed implementation. Showing my ID at the liquor store to buy alcohol is not comparable to having to put my ID and PII in a poorly secured database. Databases that get breached again and again with virtually no consequences for the owner.

>Databases that get breached again and again with virtually no consequences for the owner. Pornhub is gonna have a hard time using ”our database is gonna be hacked” as an argument.

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