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Ladybird browser spreads its wings

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Re: Ladybird browser spreads its wings

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> Ladybird now targets Linux and macOS. The SerenityOS target is dropped. What does this mean, that Ladybird will no longer run on Serenity OS? And that is up to the Serenity peeps to make it run should they wish to do so?

Serenity is just another Linux. So they target all Linux distributions instead of this specific one.

SerenityOS is not a Linux distro.

Re: Ladybird browser spreads its wings

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For a newbie like me who isn’t like a software eng wizard but is willing to put an hour or two every day, is a project like this a great way for me to learn and contribute? Or is it still so pre-alpha that you need deep domain knowledge to contribute and have an impact?

I think it's a great project to learn and contribute. The scope is very broad, so there are plenty of different areas to contribute to, including not-so-advanced functionality. For example, the initial find-in-page feature was introduced just a few week ago[1] and the core logic relatively simple. Plus, the build process is well documented and works out of the box (at least on Ubuntu in my experience) and the communi…

>Plus, the build process is well documented and works out of the box

Yeah, that seems to be a huge problem with many larger FOSS projects.

Re: Ladybird browser spreads its wings

#45

> Ladybird now targets Linux and macOS. The SerenityOS target is dropped. What does this mean, that Ladybird will no longer run on Serenity OS? And that is up to the Serenity peeps to make it run should they wish to do so?

Serenity is just another Linux. So they target all Linux distributions instead of this specific one.

I think you might have it confused with something else. SerenityOS is a ground-up OS with it's own kernel, etc. It is NOT linux.

Re: Ladybird browser spreads its wings

#46
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I hear so much about Ladybird on HN, that I’m equally excited and cynical. What is the value proposition? Is it to be another general purpose browser, so there’s more competition with Chrome / WebKit? Or to be a niche browser, that could be an alternative to Electron? How close is it to achieving that?

Probably there's very little point to this other than learning how to build a browser right now.

I don't see this catching up any time soon to a point where you could use this and not deal with a very broken browsing experience. So this will likely stay a bit of a niche thing for quite some time. But I'm happy for people to prove me wrong.

Easy to forget that Webkit started out as a fork of Khtml when Apple embraced it for Safari. Later Google forked it off as Chrome. So, it has been done before. But it's a lot of work.

Re: Ladybird browser spreads its wings

#47

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To play devils advocate, Firefox breaks the monoculture, and arguably (Mobile) Safari too. If neither of these is big enough, will Ladybird be? I can’t imagine it getting bigger than them.

> Firefox breaks the monoculture Not really as long as it is funded by Google.

But it’s a completely separate codebase right, and that’s the monoculture we’re aiming to prevent here.

If it’s not about tech but rather about funding, then should we be concerned of the monoculture of American browser vendors, or English speaking browser vendors? I don’t think we need to be, but I also think the tech side is the important place to prevent a monoculture for the open development of web technologies.

Re: Ladybird browser spreads its wings

#48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To play devils advocate, Firefox breaks the monoculture, and arguably (Mobile) Safari too. If neither of these is big enough, will Ladybird be? I can’t imagine it getting bigger than them.

> Firefox breaks the monoculture Not really as long as it is funded by Google.

I might argue that being funded by Google gives Firefox stability, and allows it to deliver to a broad audience. If it were funded exclusively by, say, HN readers then it would probably end up being used exclusively by HN users.

Re: Ladybird browser spreads its wings

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I don't understand what is wrong with Firefox. It is open-source, highly configurable and reasonably secure (if you have the time to configure). Yes, it has shortcomings, but what doesn't.

Not every open source software has spyware and ads activated by default, while marketing itself as privacy friendly. Yes, can all be deactivated, I also use FF, but I do not trust Mozilla anymore.

Firefox is open source, it would be far easier for the community to make a stripped down Firefox port with no telemetry, no ads and no upsells for Mozilla services.

With that said, almost all of Mozilla's revenue comes from Google, which might possibly influence what features they implement, their stance on various web standards etc.

Re: Ladybird browser spreads its wings

#50
I hope both Ladybird and Servo succeed in creating a new browser engine. Though I do have a slight preference for Servo as it's using Rust. Not that Rust is magical, but given how much attack surface there is in a browser, it seems picking C++ is a bit odd in 2024.
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