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Ladybird browser spreads its wings

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Re: Ladybird browser spreads its wings

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Post by KronisLV »

imiric wrote: post #13

I'm very happy that projects like this exist, and hope that they succeed in their mission. With the current state of the web, filled with mostly spam content designed to generate ad revenue and to exploit the user, accessed from mainstream browsers produced by large corporations that are increasingly trying to do the same thing, web users are being squeezed from all sides. Using the web today is a hostile experience,…

> Using the web today is a hostile experience, and the only safe haven from all this nonsense is using community-supported alternative browsers, that are really stripped down versions of mainstream ones, and relying heavily on ad, cookie, JavaScript and other blockers, which may stop working at any point.

I think the actual root of the problem is that the people and organizations developing and running the sites do want to force the ads, analytics and other things upon you and you as a user basically have to hack around that. If the users actually took a stance with something a bit like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_LibreJS then the sad reality would be that you just couldn't use most sites altogether.

Re: Ladybird browser spreads its wings

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Post by manuelmoreale »

nutrie wrote: post #29
manuelmoreale wrote: post #10

I’m irrationally excited for this project. The idea of a community built browser is incredibly appealing considering the current landscape where all browsers are either Chrome, Chrome in a trench coat, or Firefox

I don't understand what is wrong with Firefox. It is open-source, highly configurable and reasonably secure (if you have the time to configure). Yes, it has shortcomings, but what doesn't.

Nothing, it’s my default browser for dev work but it’s only alive because Google keeps paying them to exist basically so I’d love an alternative.

Re: Ladybird browser spreads its wings

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Post by lupusreal »

nutrie wrote: post #29
manuelmoreale wrote: post #10

I’m irrationally excited for this project. The idea of a community built browser is incredibly appealing considering the current landscape where all browsers are either Chrome, Chrome in a trench coat, or Firefox

I don't understand what is wrong with Firefox. It is open-source, highly configurable and reasonably secure (if you have the time to configure). Yes, it has shortcomings, but what doesn't.

Mozilla. I like and use Firefox but I find it increasingly hard to trust Mozilla and that makes me feel insecure about the future of Firefox.

Re: Ladybird browser spreads its wings

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Post by voidwtf »

I don't want to discourage the developers working on this project, but I'm curious why we're still writing applications that will almost certainly execute or process hostile content in languages that don't maintain strict memory safe contract?

Have we not learned our lesson yet, or am I misunderstanding the situation? I believe it was a Microsoft study that linked unsafe memory access to ~70% of exploit chains.

Re: Ladybird browser spreads its wings

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Post by kleiba »

dsalfdslfdsa wrote: post #21

I was recently browsing their docs, and kept finding references to choosing a "browser chrome" (options including Qt and AppKit). Is this some new usage of the word "chrome" that I'm not familiar with, or does it use chrome libraries?

It's "chrome" as in cars and bikes.

Re: Ladybird browser spreads its wings

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Post by lukan »

nutrie wrote: post #29
manuelmoreale wrote: post #10

I’m irrationally excited for this project. The idea of a community built browser is incredibly appealing considering the current landscape where all browsers are either Chrome, Chrome in a trench coat, or Firefox

I don't understand what is wrong with Firefox. It is open-source, highly configurable and reasonably secure (if you have the time to configure). Yes, it has shortcomings, but what doesn't.

Not every open source software has spyware and ads activated by default, while marketing itself as privacy friendly.

Yes, can all be deactivated, I also use FF, but I do not trust Mozilla anymore.

Re: Ladybird browser spreads its wings

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Post by jillesvangurp »

pandemic_region wrote: post #11

> Ladybird now targets Linux and macOS. The SerenityOS target is dropped. What does this mean, that Ladybird will no longer run on Serenity OS? And that is up to the Serenity peeps to make it run should they wish to do so?

Serenity is just another Linux. So they target all Linux distributions instead of this specific one.

Re: Ladybird browser spreads its wings

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Post by lupusreal »

blowski wrote: post #20
aktenlage wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The question for a value proposition seems to be out of place to me. It's not a business. Some people develop a browser for their own joy and now they decided to target Linux and use 3rd party libraries.

So the main value is to the people who get pleasure from working on it? I don’t mean it in a pejorative way, I love the idea.

I've heard innumerable times that it's infeasible to write a modern web browser from scratch without a trillion dollars of funding or something absurd like that. So it's exciting to see a small guy / group take a serious swing at it.

Re: Ladybird browser spreads its wings

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Post by otabdeveloper4 »

danpalmer wrote: post #14
ironmagma wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having looked at the source code… it’s not close. Not even 1/20 of the way there IMO. But it might not need to be. It’s nice just having a second system. I don’t know to what extent Ladybird can replace Chrome, but the issues that come with a monoculture are known. There’s probably at least some hope that Ladybird could take off once it reaches a critical mass.

To play devils advocate, Firefox breaks the monoculture, and arguably (Mobile) Safari too. If neither of these is big enough, will Ladybird be? I can’t imagine it getting bigger than them.

> Firefox breaks the monoculture

Not really as long as it is funded by Google.

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